Explore, connect, thrive in
the expat community

Expat Life: Local Discoveries, Global Connections

Register Log in
BuySell BA

Citizenship rejected!

Jakoval

Jakoval

Well-known member
So, I thought I was at the very end of the road for my citizenship here. Fiscalia favorably recommended my citizenship twice but then juzgado said no, reasoning that I have not met the 2-year residency required even though it clearly states that if you are married to a native Argentine or have your child born in Argentina, the 2-year period is exempt. Any recommendation would be appreciated.

From fiscalia.
1744392749136.png


From juzgado.
1744392993728.png

It clearly states here but oh well. This is Argentina and that is to be expected I suppose.
1744393150384.png
 
Jakoval said:
So, I thought I was at the very end of the road for my citizenship here. Fiscalia favorably recommended my citizenship twice but then juzgado said no, reasoning that I have not met the 2-year residency required even though it clearly states that if you are married to a native Argentine or have your child born in Argentina, the 2-year period is exempt. Any recommendation would be appreciated.

From fiscalia.
View attachment 9058


From juzgado.
View attachment 9059

It clearly states here but oh well. This is Argentina and that is to be expected I suppose.
View attachment 9060
Click to expand...
What the hell. I have NEVER heard of anyone getting rejected that is married. This is crazy. Does this mean you have to start the process all over again? Or they will automatically grant it when you DO hit the 2 year mark.

Are you regretting you moved to Argentina yet? Right about now I would think you are angry at your spouse you didn't move to your home country! Why don't you move there? You can't tell me it wouldn't be a better life than Argentian right now!
 
Jakoval said:
So, I thought I was at the very end of the road for my citizenship here. Fiscalia favorably recommended my citizenship twice but then juzgado said no, reasoning that I have not met the 2-year residency required even though it clearly states that if you are married to a native Argentine or have your child born in Argentina, the 2-year period is exempt. Any recommendation would be appreciated.

From fiscalia.
View attachment 9058


From juzgado.
View attachment 9059

It clearly states here but oh well. This is Argentina and that is to be expected I suppose.
View attachment 9060
Click to expand...
Wow @Jakoval in 23 years of living and working in Argentina I have never heard of this. I know many people that got married and never got rejected. What do they think you illegally married an Argentina for the passport??? LOL. Oh man, I'm sorry to hear this.
 
Terrible news. But I assume you are close to your 2 year mark? Will you get it automatically without having to jump back through hurdles? You already have your DNI so the only difference is just a passport? Do you think you are running into all these issues because you tried to do it yourself and didn't just pay an immigration attorney? I have never heard of anyone that didn't get Citizenship from marriage but they all hired a lawyer. It's one of those thing I think in a country like Argentina is worth it. You think you are saving money but can jump through hurdles for years.
 
Jakoval said:
So, I thought I was at the very end of the road for my citizenship here. Fiscalia favorably recommended my citizenship twice but then juzgado said no, reasoning that I have not met the 2-year residency required even though it clearly states that if you are married to a native Argentine or have your child born in Argentina, the 2-year period is exempt. Any recommendation would be appreciated.

From fiscalia.
View attachment 9058


From juzgado.
View attachment 9059

It clearly states here but oh well. This is Argentina and that is to be expected I suppose.
View attachment 9060
Click to expand...
Sorry man. It seems like an endless stream of red tape and bureaucracy there. When I think I want to live in Argentina I read stories like this and think twice. Everything sounds like it is torturous there.

Betsy Ross said:
Terrible news. But I assume you are close to your 2 year mark? Will you get it automatically without having to jump back through hurdles? You already have your DNI so the only difference is just a passport? Do you think you are running into all these issues because you tried to do it yourself and didn't just pay an immigration attorney? I have never heard of anyone that didn't get Citizenship from marriage but they all hired a lawyer. It's one of those thing I think in a country like Argentina is worth it. You think you are saving money but can jump through hurdles for years.
Click to expand...
I wouldn't dream of trying to do anything immigration related on my own. I will just pay a lawyer. It doesn't seem like it is that much money. A few grand. In the grand scheme of things it sounds like worth it not to go through this. Someone told me that the lawyers pay bribes to speed things up. I am not sure if that is true or not.
 
Jakoval said:
So, I thought I was at the very end of the road for my citizenship here. Fiscalia favorably recommended my citizenship twice but then juzgado said no, reasoning that I have not met the 2-year residency required even though it clearly states that if you are married to a native Argentine or have your child born in Argentina, the 2-year period is exempt. Any recommendation would be appreciated.

From fiscalia.
View attachment 9058


From juzgado.
View attachment 9059

It clearly states here but oh well. This is Argentina and that is to be expected I suppose.
View attachment 9060
Click to expand...
What can you do? Sounds like in the end you will have to hire a lawyer anyway. Wouldn't it have been easier to just hired one before? Why do you think they rejected you @Jakoval? What did your wife/husband say about it?

Did you get to go in front of the judge or do they rule without you there? What will you do? Can you appeal this? Can you get in front of another judge? I think I recall you said you were from Asia? Racism? What does your Argentine spouse say about this?

Are you fed up with Argentina? Any regrets of moving here? Sounds like chaos. Sometimes reading some of these posts it sounds like the closet thing to living in hell dealing with the banking, red tape and corruption there.
 
Jakoval said:
We'll try to appeal and let's see what happens.
Click to expand...
Just appeal and hope for a different judge.
Jakoval said:
I should have? I don't think so. I mean it's not a necessity. Why spend thousands of dollars for what is not exactly necessary? I went into this thinking that ok great if I get it. But if I don't. I'm OK with that.
Click to expand...

Did they say if you will automatically get it after your 2 year period? How much longer do you have?
 
Jakoval said:
So, I thought I was at the very end of the road for my citizenship here. Fiscalia favorably recommended my citizenship twice but then juzgado said no, reasoning that I have not met the 2-year residency required even though it clearly states that if you are married to a native Argentine or have your child born in Argentina, the 2-year period is exempt. Any recommendation would be appreciated.

From fiscalia.
View attachment 9058


From juzgado.
View attachment 9059

It clearly states here but oh well. This is Argentina and that is to be expected I suppose.
View attachment 9060
Click to expand...
That must be frustrating. But other than voting you don't really lose any benefits do you @Jakoval and being able to fly in on an Argentine passport. Is there any other hidden benefits that you get?
 
Jakoval said:
I should have? I don't think so. I mean it's not a necessity. Why spend thousands of dollars for what is not exactly necessary? I went into this thinking that ok great if I get it. But if I don't. I'm OK with that.
Click to expand...
Yes unless you are from a country where your passport is extremely weak and you can't wait the 2 years maybe I could see in that case hiring a lawyer but if you already have the DNI and can travel on your own passport then why pay money to a lawyer?

I do know that things in immigration are very slow without a lawyer involved. I heard they grease the wheels and make them happen faster.
 
So, we went to the court this morning to ask why the judge rejected my tramite given the fact that the law says when you are married to a native Argentine, the required 2-year residency is exempt. The secretaria also seemed perplexed as to why but eventually he said that it was an error. If you look closely at the underlined sentence, the judge said 'he shares the fiscal's arguements (that I should be granted citizenship)' but then turned around and said no. It was self-conflicting. So they typed up a new document saying yada yada about me marrying a native born Argentine and that I'm exempt and I signed it. Now I just need to wait for a new sentencing and I hope there will be no more surprises.

1744748094701.png
 
Jakoval said:
So, we went to the court this morning to ask why the judge rejected my tramite given the fact that the law says when you are married to a native Argentine, the required 2-year residency is exempt. The secretaria also seemed perplexed as to why but eventually he said that it was an error. If you look closely at the underlined sentence, the judge said 'he shares the fiscal's arguements (that I should be granted citizenship)' but then turned around and said no. It was self-conflicting. So they typed up a new document saying yada yada about me marrying a native born Argentine and that I'm exempt and I signed it. Now I just need to wait for a new sentencing and I hope there will be no more surprises.

View attachment 9076
Click to expand...
LOL. Argentina be Argentina. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. I'm sorry you are going through this @Jakoval but honestly I would think they would reverse themselves. I know tons of people that married a local Citizen and they all got citizenship. I doubt they can get around the law.

Unfortunately the judicial system is an absolute nightmare in Argentina.
 
Jakoval said:
So, we went to the court this morning to ask why the judge rejected my tramite given the fact that the law says when you are married to a native Argentine, the required 2-year residency is exempt. The secretaria also seemed perplexed as to why but eventually he said that it was an error. If you look closely at the underlined sentence, the judge said 'he shares the fiscal's arguements (that I should be granted citizenship)' but then turned around and said no. It was self-conflicting. So they typed up a new document saying yada yada about me marrying a native born Argentine and that I'm exempt and I signed it. Now I just need to wait for a new sentencing and I hope there will be no more surprises.

View attachment 9076
Click to expand...
Wish I could say I was surprised but nothing shocked me these days. The thing I hate about living here is nothing is easy. Everything is painful and hassles and red tape. Especially having to do with judges.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Real Estate News The place in Argentina that Americans choose to live - La Nacion Propiedades
Replies
0
Views
32
BuySellBA
BuySellBA
Politics Bolivia asked Salta to stop charging its citizens for medical care, but the province rejected it - Infobae
Replies
1
Views
83
Blockchain
Blockchain
Apartment Rental To start renting in CABA and Province, more than two million pesos are needed: what to pay attention to - Infobae
Replies
0
Views
39
BuySellBA
BuySellBA
Newcomer Poverty and cost of living, on the rise? How long does Argentina need to get ahead?
Replies
5
Views
393
Betsy Ross
Betsy Ross
Real Estate News Rentals after the DNU: What contracts follow, how the new ones should be signed and who has to pay if there are damages - Infobae
Replies
0
Views
315
BuySellBA
BuySellBA
Community Insight...

Engage explore adapt in your expat community.

Receive personalized job market insights from seasoned expats in your area

Discover local cultural nuances and festivities shared by community members

Get your tailored expat living guide curated by experienced locals

Expats BA Community Banner

The community built for the true expat

If you're new to ExpatsBA forum, the first step is to sign up.

Sign in Register
Back
Top