Does anyone else find it strange Argentina still thinks they won the Falklands War?

[Sunny]

It sounds like Milei knows the reality that this won't get resolved for decades if ever at all.

That's right, Milei and every other Argentine president and politician know that, but they have to keep saying that the islands belong to Argentina. Politics. 🙄

 

[Floripa]

That's right, Milei and every other Argentine president and politician know that, but they have to keep saying that the islands belong to Argentina. Politics. 🙄

I don't believe that the younger generations even care about the Falklands. And the people in the Falklands would never agree to being ruled by Argentina so all of this is a non-issue. No one would purposely choose to have an Argentine passport vs. UK passport.

 

[Sunny]

No one would purposely choose to have an Argentine passport vs. UK passport.

Have you been reading the expat sub on Reddit? I used to believe that people would never renounce US citizenship. Well, I was wrong. They are doing it mostly because of taxes.
Who can say what lies ahead for the UK and Argentina in the decades to come?

 

[Flamingo]

Have you been reading the expat sub on Reddit? I used to believe that people would never renounce US citizenship. Well, I was wrong. They are doing it mostly because of taxes.
Who can say what lies ahead for the UK and Argentina in the decades to come?

I haven't seen Reddit forums but I see some posts on Twitter but it seems like there are many people advertising services to get residencies to avoid taxes but most likely many people interested in this won't have the potential to make much money abroad. I don't know the future but I know that the people in the Malvinas likely won't want to change the set up they have now.

 

[GlasgowJohn]

I don't believe that the younger generations even care about the Falklands. And the people in the Falklands would never agree to being ruled by Argentina so all of this is a non-issue. No one would purposely choose to have an Argentine passport vs. UK passport.

My son, along with everyone attending school here, gets indoctrinated at school.

I give him a fairly well-balanced version of the argument at home.

Given that most of the young people are very into human rights , I always ask is anyone considering the rights of the long-term residents of the Falklands?

The other question to ask is of course why has Argentina never taken the case to the International Court of Justice?

Some of his friends talk about winning a vote in the United Nations - I have to remind them that the UN is a club of corrupt politicians debating issues where they buy votes in exchange for favours. But that there is no legal foundation for any of their votes.

 

[Melibaires]

For Argentinians, it's a matter of pride. They argue that it was an unjust war. Argentinians were willing to send their sons to die for their country; society mobilized to bid farewell to the hero-men marching to the front. The media fueled optimism and triumphalist hopes among the population. But that was during the era of military dictatorship, so everything turned out horribly, with hundreds of young people left abandoned.

In the end, it was an unjust war because it was initiated by a military government. The fact that it was such a government was surely an aggravating factor, but it wasn't what constituted the injustice of the war itself. In reality, not even the most impeccable of democracies has the right to wage war. According to the UN Charter, states can only use violence against another state (a) in self-defense against aggression and (b) to enforce international law if they have authorization from the UN itself.

 

[Wally]

My son, along with everyone attending school here, gets indoctrinated at school.

I give him a fairly well-balanced version of the argument at home.

Given that most of the young people are very into human rights , I always ask is anyone considering the rights of the long-term residents of the Falklands?

The other question to ask is of course why has Argentina never taken the case to the International Court of Justice?

Some of his friends talk about winning a vote in the United Nations - I have to remind them that the UN is a club of corrupt politicians debating issues where they buy votes in exchange for favours. But that there is no legal foundation for any of their votes.

But does your son care at all about the issue one way or the other? None of my friends kids that are younger seem to have any strong issue on this even if they are indoctrinated at school. Most of them are more concerned about the economy and getting by vs. some silly island in the middle of nowhere that will affect them. There are bigger issues to them.

I agree that people need to consider what the people living there actually want.

 

[Wally]

For Argentinians, it's a matter of pride. They argue that it was an unjust war. Argentinians were willing to send their sons to die for their country; society mobilized to bid farewell to the hero-men marching to the front. The media fueled optimism and triumphalist hopes among the population. But that was during the era of military dictatorship, so everything turned out horribly, with hundreds of young people left abandoned.

In the end, it was an unjust war because it was initiated by a military government. The fact that it was such a government was surely an aggravating factor, but it wasn't what constituted the injustice of the war itself. In reality, not even the most impeccable of democracies has the right to wage war. According to the UN Charter, states can only use violence against another state (a) in self-defense against aggression and (b) to enforce international law if they have authorization from the UN itself.

Sad time for sure. But if push came to shove would people be willing to go and fight for the Falklands? I seriously doubt it. Milei is wise to not bring up the issue again. He should just focus on fixing the economy and nothing else.

Milei: Malvinas not a priority

Argentine President Javier Milei insisted on praising former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and acknowledged that the Falkland Islands were rightfully to remain under British rule.

en.mercopress.com

 

[GlasgowJohn]

But does your son care at all about the issue one way or the other? None of my friends kids that are younger seem to have any strong issue on this even if they are indoctrinated at school. Most of them are more concerned about the economy and getting by vs. some silly island in the middle of nowhere that will affect them. There are bigger issues to them.

I agree that people need to consider what the people living there actually want.

Not really but as a nation they love their flag and their national anthem more than most where I have lived

 

[Vero]

My kids were also indoctrinated at school growing up but they don't really have any strong feelings one way or another and do think about what the locals would want and that is to stay with the UK. They have never been to the Malvinas and never will go. It is at the bottom of a long list of things they worry about for Argentina.

 

[Avocado]

Et tu Chile.

Falklands war: “The secret pact between Chile and the United Kingdom”, ex-head of Argentine Army

A former commander in chief of the Argentine Army, 2003 to 2011, and Malvinas Veteran, Martín Balza in a recent column in the Buenos Aires daily Perfil, wrote a column exposing what he described as 'a secret pact between Chile and UK', to help avoid the defeat of the British Task Force in 1982...

en.mercopress.com

 

[GlasgowJohn]

Et tu Chile.

Falklands war: “The secret pact between Chile and the United Kingdom”, ex-head of Argentine Army

A former commander in chief of the Argentine Army, 2003 to 2011, and Malvinas Veteran, Martín Balza in a recent column in the Buenos Aires daily Perfil, wrote a column exposing what he described as 'a secret pact between Chile and UK', to help avoid the defeat of the British Task Force in 1982...

en.mercopress.com

This pact wasn't very secret.

And many people know the reasons why / I trust you do @Avocado

 

[Larry]

I wish he would focus on ONLY fixing the economy.

'They're ours!' Javier Milei doubles down and vows to take back Falkland Islands

The whacky Argentine president has ramped up the rhetoric over the Falklands after being branded a "traitor" last week by his own side.

www.express.co.uk

 

[GraceH]

This is why they are all fighting for the Falklands. Hopefully it doesn’t cause serious conflict.

The Falklands have just become the most valuable piece of real estate on earth

Russia’s discovery of vast oil reserves in the British Antarctic Territory has fired the starting gun on a mad scramble for resources

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Sunny]

And, of course, the US must've known that the Russians were snooping down there.

 

[old fart]

And, of course, the US must've known that the Russians were snooping down there.

Of course. I hear the United States Navy is working with Argentina to open a new base down South. Anyone heard anything concrete on it?

 

[Billy Goat]

Of course. I hear the United States Navy is working with Argentina to open a new base down South. Anyone heard anything concrete on it?

I think it goes without saying USA will have some presence in the South. Milei has already met up with the head of US Southern Command.

Argentina to increase 'strategic alliance' with United States, Milei vows in after-hours speech - Buenos Aires Herald

The president addressed the public early Friday morning during an unscheduled trip to Ushuaia to meet with a top US military official

buenosairesherald.com

But lots of stuff in the news.

Analysts: Argentina F-16, naval base decisions halt China’s momentum

US gives Argentina $40M toward its F-16s purchase, first financing since 2003; Buenos Aires wants to be NATO global partner

www.voanews.com

Milei Allows US to Construct Naval Base in Strategic Southernmost City of Argentina

The president of Argentina, Javier Milei, announced that the United States will construct an “integrated naval base” in Ushuaia, the southernmost city of Argentina, known as “the …

orinocotribune.com

U.S. 4th Fleet Announces Southern Seas 2024 Deployment

MAYPORT, Fla. - The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) will deploy to the U.S. Southern Command area of operations over the next few months as part of U.S. Naval Forces

www.navy.mil

President Milei will oversee the Passex exercise with the US Navy from the aircraft carrier USS George Washington

In anticipation of the upcoming visit of the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) of the United States Navy at the end of this month, President

www.zona-militar.com

 

[Wally]

I think it goes without saying USA will have some presence in the South. Milei has already met up with the head of US Southern Command.

Argentina to increase 'strategic alliance' with United States, Milei vows in after-hours speech - Buenos Aires Herald

The president addressed the public early Friday morning during an unscheduled trip to Ushuaia to meet with a top US military official

buenosairesherald.com

But lots of stuff in the news.

Analysts: Argentina F-16, naval base decisions halt China’s momentum

US gives Argentina $40M toward its F-16s purchase, first financing since 2003; Buenos Aires wants to be NATO global partner

www.voanews.com

Milei Allows US to Construct Naval Base in Strategic Southernmost City of Argentina

The president of Argentina, Javier Milei, announced that the United States will construct an “integrated naval base” in Ushuaia, the southernmost city of Argentina, known as “the …

orinocotribune.com

U.S. 4th Fleet Announces Southern Seas 2024 Deployment

MAYPORT, Fla. - The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) will deploy to the U.S. Southern Command area of operations over the next few months as part of U.S. Naval Forces

www.navy.mil

President Milei will oversee the Passex exercise with the US Navy from the aircraft carrier USS George Washington

In anticipation of the upcoming visit of the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) of the United States Navy at the end of this month, President

www.zona-militar.com

But why the build up in presence? Who does the USA see as a possible threat that far South? Russia, China?

 

[Betsy Ross]

But why the build up in presence? Who does the USA see as a possible threat that far South? Russia, China?

China is deemed as a possible threat. China already has a military base down South. With all the Global tensions, USA wants to keep tabs on China and also have a presence down South too. China is interested in building a base in Ushuaia which is a really strategic location because it could possibly control shipping lanes going from Atlantic Ocean to Pacific.

Argentina: The Currency Battleground

Currency swap overview, Chinese interests and election interference in Argentina

www.bowtiedmara.io

And of course things are heating up with Russia as well.

UK’s Parliament Probes Russian Oil Exploration in Antarctica

As part of its ongoing examination of the UK’s interests in Antarctica, the House of Commons’ Environmental Audit Committee (EAC) last week held a sp...

maritime-executive.com

 

[crypto]

It will be interesting if Russia tries to explore some of this oil.

Russia just found huge oil reserves in Antarctica

The reserves uncovered contain around 511 billion barrels worth of oil.

www.newsweek.com