Politics Thread: President Javier Milei - Decree of Necessity and Urgency (DNU) in real-time

[GlasgowJohn]

Thank you for admitting this talk crazy! This guy break the law with his emergency decree!

“The emergency decree pushes the limits accepted by the Constitution, or violates it outright. Out of the 366 articles, half of them do not justify the exceptional circumstance which prevents the processing of a law,” said constitutional lawyer Félix Lonigro.

How is Milei’s libertarian experiment progressing in Argentina?

Preident Javier Milei's reform plans have been stalled by opponents, congress and the courts.

www.batimes.com.ar

@Avocado , The crazy talk is the talk about the Nobel prize.. everything else will just be fine once things get going!

 

[Avocado]

@Avocado , The crazy talk is the talk about the Nobel prize.. everything else will just be fine once things get going!

Yes I know you talking about the Nobel Prize. I will try to be patient. It is just hard for me when I see everyone suffering.

 

[Avocado]

As I expected, Argentina court rule Milei's labor rules unconstitutional.

Argentinian court overturns Milei's labor rules, in a blow to his reform plans

An Argentine court has overturned labor rules proposed by President Javier Milei that would make it easier to fire workers, in a new blow to the leader’s efforts to shake up regulations that he says have hampered the country’s struggling economy.

apnews.com

 

[Bobbie Burgers]

As I expected, Argentina court rule Milei's labor rules unconstitutional.

Argentinian court overturns Milei's labor rules, in a blow to his reform plans

An Argentine court has overturned labor rules proposed by President Javier Milei that would make it easier to fire workers, in a new blow to the leader’s efforts to shake up regulations that he says have hampered the country’s struggling economy.

apnews.com

I fear we're on a path towards the bleak intersection of despair. Milei seems incapable of championing reforms that could usher in lasting prosperity due to the courts not allowing him to make meaningful changes. Meanwhile, businesses exploit the public, driving prices sky-high, and it feels like we're hurtling towards a breaking point with no reprieve in sight.

I'm not positive at all about the future of Argentina. I'm not blaming either side. I just don't think if the courts will let him try to make changes that there will be any true benefit.

 

[Flamingo]

I fear we're on a path towards the bleak intersection of despair. Milei seems incapable of championing reforms that could usher in lasting prosperity due to the courts not allowing him to make meaningful changes. Meanwhile, businesses exploit the public, driving prices sky-high, and it feels like we're hurtling towards a breaking point with no reprieve in sight.

I'm not positive at all about the future of Argentina. I'm not blaming either side. I just don't think if the courts will let him try to make changes that there will be any true benefit.

I wouldn't throw the towel in just yet. It's very early. It feels longer but it hasn't even been 2 months yet.

 

[Avocado]

Milei keeps getting more and more of the political caste he said he wanted to fight to stay away. Funny.

Daniel Scioli leaves Brasilia for a Secretariat position in Milei’s team

Former Argentine Vice President Daniel Scioli will leave his post as Ambassador to Brazil to join President Javier Milei's team as Secretary of Tourism, Environment, and Sports, it was announced Tuesday in Buenos Aires after a meeting which was also attended by Interior Minister Guillermo...

en.mercopress.com

 

[GlasgowJohn]

Milei keeps getting more and more of the political caste he said he wanted to fight to stay away. Funny.

Daniel Scioli leaves Brasilia for a Secretariat position in Milei’s team

Former Argentine Vice President Daniel Scioli will leave his post as Ambassador to Brazil to join President Javier Milei's team as Secretary of Tourism, Environment, and Sports, it was announced Tuesday in Buenos Aires after a meeting which was also attended by Interior Minister Guillermo...

en.mercopress.com

You are right @Avocado - this is a little bit of a surprise and I wonder if there is anything we should expect from Mr Scioli in the short term.

 

[Avocado]

You are right @Avocado - this is a little bit of a surprise and I wonder if there is anything we should expect from Mr Scioli in the short term.

@GlasgowJohn what do you suspect drove this change? I'm curious why he did something like this. I would have to assume it will make his base surprised and maybe angry as well.

 

[GlasgowJohn]

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@GlasgowJohn what do you suspect drove this change? I'm curious why he did something like this. I would have to assume it will make his base surprised and maybe angry as well.

Hard one to call, @Avocado . I Nthink more will be revealed once this week is over.

 

[Avocado]

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Hard one to call, @Avocado . I Nthink more will be revealed once this week is over.

OK thanks. I will stay tuned. I wonder if more surprises coming. Now even my friends that voted for Milei admit that things are happening that are surprising them too. Many of them were NOT fans of Macri.

 

[Betsy Ross]

The left just can't allow the democratic process to work. More protests today.

Vuelve la tensión en las puertas del Congreso: militantes de izquierda se enfrentan con la policía y la gendarmería

En medio de un fuerte operativo de seguridad, las agrupaciones buscaban llegar al parlamento para manifestarse en contra de la Ley de Bases; hubo corridas, empujones y un detenido; las fuerzas utilizaron postas de goma y gas lacrimógeno; salieron a la calle diputados opositores

www.lanacion.com.ar

 

[sangM]

At least if President Milei is not successful he can try to argue that all the changes he was trying to do were blocked.

Javier Milei: Protests as lawmakers debate reforms supported by Argentine president

The newly-elected head of state says the bill is key to saving the economy but protesters say it is a threat to democracy.

www.bbc.com

 

[Che Vos]

Even a dozen journalists (including one who got shot in the face) by rubber bullets. This is not going in good place.

Photos: Argentina police battle protesters opposed to sweeping reform bill

Police fire rubber bullets and water cannons at demonstrators outside the Congress building in Buenos Aires.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Betsy Ross]

Things are going ok. This change will take time but good news is that lawmakers have approved the reform bill.

Argentina lawmakers have approved Milei's sweeping reform bill but much negotiating remains

Argentina’s Chamber of Deputies has approved in general terms a sweeping package of reforms proposed by libertarian President Javier Milei to deregulate Latin America’s third-largest economy following three days of heated debate.

apnews.com

 

[Larry]

Things are going ok. This change will take time but good news is that lawmakers have approved the reform bill.

Argentina lawmakers have approved Milei's sweeping reform bill but much negotiating remains

Argentina’s Chamber of Deputies has approved in general terms a sweeping package of reforms proposed by libertarian President Javier Milei to deregulate Latin America’s third-largest economy following three days of heated debate.

apnews.com

It's not clear what exactly was voted on.

“Evidently, there’s no clarity about what was voted on,” Deputy Myriam Bregman of FIT-U told the Herald on the sidelines of the chamber. “It was a very quick reading of the articles, there wasn’t even enough time to check whether they’d excluded what they said they’d exclude or not.” She added that the changes had been discussed “a lot in private offices and very little on the house floor.”

Argentina’s lower house approves Milei’s omnibus bill after marathon debate - Buenos Aires Herald

Lawmakers negotiated eleventh-hour modifications that cut down on privatizations and the scope of Milei’s legislative powers. The articles will now be voted on individually

buenosairesherald.com

 

[GlasgowJohn]

If you gave Myriam Bregman a gold watch, she couldn't tell you what time it is.

But she would love the watch as she loves all the luxury goods that her salary allows her to buy. Defend the poor ....no defend Myriam !

 

[Avocado]

Great article worth reading.

Javier Milei’s Freak Show Act Is a Taste of Things to Come​

Javier Milei’s Freak Show Act Is a Taste of Things to Come

Argentina’s far-right president Javier Milei was enthusiastically received at the World Economic Forum in Davos. The warm welcome extended to Milei is a sign of where free-market radicalism is headed amid the deepening crisis of neoliberalism.

jacobin.com

 

[Avocado]

Wow as if he didn't have better things to do in Argentina helping Argentines! Priorities, Priorities. Busy in Israel when he should focus on Argentina!

Argentina’s new president arrives in Israel, reiterates pledge to move embassy to Jerusalem

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www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Wally]

Wow as if he didn't have better things to do in Argentina helping Argentines! Priorities, Priorities. Busy in Israel when he should focus on Argentina!

Argentina’s new president arrives in Israel, reiterates pledge to move embassy to Jerusalem

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www.timesofisrael.com

I agree there are plenty of things to worry about in Argentina. Visiting Israel ranks very low on most locals priorities for Argentina and it's President.

Let's get this thread back on topic. I am trying to understand today's development on the Omnibus Law and the DNU. I saw this thread on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1755000440335319440

Here is the translation:

The process to enact a Law is:

1. The bill is presented in the originating chamber (in this case Chamber of Deputies). This happened with the Omnibus Law on 12/27/23
2. Join committees to debate it and finish writing it. It happened on 01/03/2024
3. The commissions issue opinions and refer them to the full chamber to consider it. It happened on 01/24/24.
4. The full Chamber votes on it in genera termsl. It was on 2/2/24.
5. The Chamber votes on it article by article by article in detail. It was today 02/06/24.
6. If it is approved and goes with a half-sanction to the review chamber.
7. Points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 are repeated in the review chamber.
8. If both chambers approve the Bill then the President signs it into law.

We were at point 5. We return to point 2.

 

[llantas]

I agree there are plenty of things to worry about in Argentina. Visiting Israel ranks very low on most locals priorities for Argentina and it's President.

Let's get this thread back on topic. I am trying to understand today's development on the Omnibus Law and the DNU. I saw this thread on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1755000440335319440

Here is the translation:

The process to enact a Law is:

1. The bill is presented in the originating chamber (in this case Chamber of Deputies). This happened with the Omnibus Law on 12/27/23
2. Join committees to debate it and finish writing it. It happened on 01/03/2024
3. The commissions issue opinions and refer them to the full chamber to consider it. It happened on 01/24/24.
4. The full Chamber votes on it in genera termsl. It was on 2/2/24.
5. The Chamber votes on it article by article by article in detail. It was today 02/06/24.
6. If it is approved and goes with a half-sanction to the review chamber.
7. Points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 are repeated in the review chamber.
8. If both chambers approve the Bill then the President signs it into law.

We were at point 5. We return to point 2.

In step two, instead of writing the bill, they talk and try to agree on what should be in it. This agreement is important for the bill to have a chance of becoming a law.

Throughout the process of making this law, different groups who disagree with the government have been talking with them to try and find common ground. A lot of this talking happens outside of the official meetings.

They finally reached a general agreement, but there are still many things they don't agree on. The experts said the bill was okay, but they disagreed on some important points. Even with these disagreements, the bill passed and moved to the next stage.

Today, they couldn't agree on a few things, like how to share taxes with the provinces, selling government-owned things, and giving more power to someone named Milei. The government said they won't talk about it anymore and sent it back to be discussed more. This means the bill might not become a law after all.

Right now, some parts of the bill are being looked at by judges, but other parts, like changes to rental laws, are already happening. The government wants to take some parts of the bill, like changes to work rules, to the Congress to talk about and vote on.