Newcomer Citizenship

[ElinaMes]

Hi there! So bit off a strange question, but can’t seem to get it answered definitively online…

I was a temporary resident of BA for 3 years from 2010-2014… DNI renewal every year etc. I then returned back to Europe.

I am considering moving back to BA. Since then the rules around citizenship have changed to 2 years- is it possible to apply for Citizenship now or do I have to start the whole process again?

Pretty sure I know the answer but with Argentina you never know tbh…

 

[DavoSenes]

This is a great thread with lots of useful information. I made an account because I need to get some clarifications.
Me and my wife and son (all non argentine nationals) will travel to BA and my wife will give birth to our second son there.

After gleaning what I can from the thread I have the following questions:

1. Is it true that we do not need to get PR first before applying for citizenship if we have an argentine child?
2. Will our existing child also be able to apply for citizenship at the same time as his parents? (I've read that he would need to wait until the age of 18)
3. what is acceptable proof of income? at the time of application I will have been living in argentina for less than 3 months, so I will only have argentine financial records (WU receipts) for a couple of months. Is this acceptable? I get paid in cryptocurrency by my company. and only cash out what we need.

Thanks in advance

 

[QuiloBa]

This is a great thread with lots of useful information. I made an account because I need to get some clarifications.
Me and my wife and son (all non argentine nationals) will travel to BA and my wife will give birth to our second son there.

After gleaning what I can from the thread I have the following questions:

1. Is it true that we do not need to get PR first before applying for citizenship if we have an argentine child?
2. Will our existing child also be able to apply for citizenship at the same time as his parents? (I've read that he would need to wait until the age of 18)
3. what is acceptable proof of income? at the time of application I will have been living in argentina for less than 3 months, so I will only have argentine financial records (WU receipts) for a couple of months. Is this acceptable? I get paid in cryptocurrency by my company. and only cash out what we need.

Thanks in advance

1. Yes, but as someone applying via a similar degree relationship (I'm married to a natural born Argentine citizen) my naturalization process has taken almost 2 years to get towards the judge actually reviewing it, and I have no guarantee it will wrap up before the end of 2023. There are numerous pros, and no cons that I'm aware of for getting your permanent residency while waiting for your citizenship, plus having a DNI will make your guys' lives 10x easier, plus you'd be free to enter and leave the country with less headaches since you'd have a regularized migratory situation.

2. Bajo will know this more than any of us, but 18 is the letter of the law, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a case he's familiar with in which it might be possible to apply for before hand - again, not something I can speak to. He's a lawyer that specializes in immigration and citizenship, and if you don't plan to get your PR while waiting for your citizenship, you basically have to go through him, si o si.

3. You're setting yourself up for problems with AFIP/UIF by declaring to a judge that you have foreign income, but not using the MULC to settle these funds. That being said, given the odds 66% to 33% that Comunicación "A" 6770/2019 gets revoked in December, it might be a non-issue and you could start simply sending your earnings here, but this all depends on what happens in October and November, so I would wait until then, and from what I've heard, judges have taken WU remittance receipts as proof of funds for sustainment. This is also why I recommend getting the DNI while waiting anways as you'll be able to become a monotributista and build credit here while waiting to become a citizen, and use your registration with AFIP as a proof of having a job/means to support yourself and family, and same with your spouse if they are working.

The important thing to remember is that the process for citizenship is going to take a long time compared to me and others as we started before the Russians and Ukrainians came, and it was already slow then.

Also, what country do you, your spouse, have citizenship from? If it's Russia, Ukraine, or any CIS States expect it to take even longer too, they're really scrutinizing applications from these folks.

 

[DavoSenes]

1. Yes, but as someone applying via a similar degree relationship (I'm married to a natural born Argentine citizen) my naturalization process has taken almost 2 years to get towards the judge actually reviewing it, and I have no guarantee it will wrap up before the end of 2023. There are numerous pros, and no cons that I'm aware of for getting your permanent residency while waiting for your citizenship, plus having a DNI will make your guys' lives 10x easier, plus you'd be free to enter and leave the country with less headaches since you'd have a regularized migratory situation.

2. Bajo will know this more than any of us, but 18 is the letter of the law, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a case he's familiar with in which it might be possible to apply for before hand - again, not something I can speak to. He's a lawyer that specializes in immigration and citizenship, and if you don't plan to get your PR while waiting for your citizenship, you basically have to go through him, si o si.

3. You're setting yourself up for problems with AFIP/UIF by declaring to a judge that you have foreign income, but not using the MULC to settle these funds. That being said, given the odds 66% to 33% that Comunicación "A" 6770/2019 gets revoked in December, it might be a non-issue and you could start simply sending your earnings here, but this all depends on what happens in October and November, so I would wait until then, and from what I've heard, judges have taken WU remittance receipts as proof of funds for sustainment. This is also why I recommend getting the DNI while waiting anways as you'll be able to become a monotributista and build credit here while waiting to become a citizen, and use your registration with AFIP as a proof of having a job/means to support yourself and family, and same with your spouse if they are working.

The important thing to remember is that the process for citizenship is going to take a long time compared to me and others as we started before the Russians and Ukrainians came, and it was already slow then.

Also, what country do you, your spouse, have citizenship from? If it's Russia, Ukraine, or any CIS States expect it to take even longer too, they're really scrutinizing applications from these folks.

Thanks for the information, and good luck to you, it sounds like you're nearly at the finish line.

1. We looking at having the baby and then going back, and coming back to argentina some years later to apply for our citizenships, I assume this gap is irrelevant. any idea how long it takes for a baby to go from birth certificate -> DNI -> passport?

2. It's possible that my company would be able to transfer me to argentina and then i'd have a regular income in the country its just not feasible right this moment.


No, we're not from Eastern Europe, I'm British but we live in South east Asia

 

[bwyonsea]

Thanks for the information, and good luck to you, it sounds like you're nearly at the finish line.

1. We looking at having the baby and then going back, and coming back to argentina some years later to apply for our citizenships, I assume this gap is irrelevant. any idea how long it takes for a baby to go from birth certificate -> DNI -> passport?

2. It's possible that my company would be able to transfer me to argentina and then i'd have a regular income in the country its just not feasible right this moment.


No, we're not from Eastern Europe, I'm British but we live in South east Asia

It is more difficult for British than for Russians for obvious reasons, but not impossible.
Citizenship can be applied before the baby born. This is better for the mother and the baby as soon as pregnancy is a state of health while after childbirth the woman is in a state of recovery and the baby does not yet have enough defenses to go around the courts.
The obvious advantage of applying for citizenship as soon as you arrive is that your case starts moving forward much sooner.
Lawyers can do the same work than judges and replace them in gathering the info they need to decide.
This week I asked for judgment in a dozen and a half cases in which the babies were just born but all the reports were already answered, the edicts published and the accounting certifications made.
Depending on how early you come, you might have your case almost done by the time the baby has his passport.
I advice all pregnant women to come as early as possible as soon as there is less risk for her and the baby.
There was one Russian woman who, fortunately, brought her trip forward. Her baby was born prematurely in the same week she had originally planned to travel. Because she was on the ground the baby went into an incubator and the family had a happy ending.
In your case, with all my respect, it might be a mistake to wait for applying for citizenship. To get AR citizenship and to be in proper time in AR soil is your shield against conscription in case WWIII goes to hell. Argentina has over 200 years of tradition not repatriating deserters.

 

[earlyretirement]

It is more difficult for British than for Russians for obvious reasons, but not impossible.
Citizenship can be applied before the baby born. This is better for the mother and the baby as soon as pregnancy is a state of health while after childbirth the woman is in a state of recovery and the baby does not yet have enough defenses to go around the courts.
The obvious advantage of applying for citizenship as soon as you arrive is that your case starts moving forward much sooner.
Lawyers can do the same work than judges and replace them in gathering the info they need to decide.
This week I asked for judgment in a dozen and a half cases in which the babies were just born but all the reports were already answered, the edicts published and the accounting certifications made.
Depending on how early you come, you might have your case almost done by the time the baby has his passport.
I advice all pregnant women to come as early as possible as soon as there is less risk for her and the baby.
There was one Russian woman who, fortunately, brought her trip forward. Her baby was born prematurely in the same week she had originally planned to travel. Because she was on the ground the baby went into an incubator and the family had a happy ending.
In your case, with all my respect, it might be a mistake to wait for applying for citizenship. To get AR citizenship and to be in proper time in AR soil is your shield against conscription in case WWIII goes to hell. Argentina has over 200 years of tradition not repatriating deserters.

Great to see you posting again Bajo_cero. Missed you. Just out of curiosity, who are you rooting for in the Presidential race? I hope you're doing well.

 

[bwyonsea]

Great to see you posting again Bajo_cero. Missed you. Just out of curiosity, who are you rooting for in the Presidential race? I hope you're doing well.

In this country you choose the lesser evil.