Exactly. This government can't be trusted with military when the police can't handle people protesting in a calm manner. Look at how they spray for no violent protesting.
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Milei orders military parades for Independence Day celebrations - I thought No Hay Plata!
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Spend Thrift
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This is pretty pathetic. I thought maybe they were throwing rocks or something at the police but the videos look like elderly people standing in the street. The pepper spray was unnecessary.
TonyTigre
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Before rushing to judgement about the incident of the old man being sprayed, consider these points:
1. The officers who actually sprayed him and the other protesters are behind two lines of other officers directly facing the protesters. That means it's unlikely they saw them clearly or evaluated their age. They would only have seen a group not moving and therefore initiate spraying to move the group along.
2. The officers were obviously ordered to clear the area, and moving in formation. Do you expect the officers to walk around them and let them stay there? Of course not. So they can either arrest them, push them back, or spray them. I would think spraying would be the first option, and if they still don't move, then physically push them back with their shields, and if that doesn't work, start arresting some of them.
3. Were the protesters in a space where they were legally allowed to protest? Remember there are protesters and there are citizens who are against the protesters. The police are supposed to enforce the law and protect the rights of all citizens according to the law. I am one of those who believe that if you initiate a confrontation, you bear at least some responsibility.
4. If you disagree with point #2, then tell us what do you think the officers should have done in that situation. If the officers followed your suggestion instead, how would the officers be judged or evaluated by those giving the orders to clear the area, and by the general public who believe the area should be cleared as ordered.
1. The officers who actually sprayed him and the other protesters are behind two lines of other officers directly facing the protesters. That means it's unlikely they saw them clearly or evaluated their age. They would only have seen a group not moving and therefore initiate spraying to move the group along.
2. The officers were obviously ordered to clear the area, and moving in formation. Do you expect the officers to walk around them and let them stay there? Of course not. So they can either arrest them, push them back, or spray them. I would think spraying would be the first option, and if they still don't move, then physically push them back with their shields, and if that doesn't work, start arresting some of them.
3. Were the protesters in a space where they were legally allowed to protest? Remember there are protesters and there are citizens who are against the protesters. The police are supposed to enforce the law and protect the rights of all citizens according to the law. I am one of those who believe that if you initiate a confrontation, you bear at least some responsibility.
4. If you disagree with point #2, then tell us what do you think the officers should have done in that situation. If the officers followed your suggestion instead, how would the officers be judged or evaluated by those giving the orders to clear the area, and by the general public who believe the area should be cleared as ordered.
Just take look at this below and you can see why they had to use pepper spray! All great points @TonyTigre. They clearly were somewhere they weren't allowed to be.
Politics - Riots in Congress During the Debate on the Bases Law: They Are Not Protesters, They Are Savages
I can't believe how this protest got out of control. The level of vandalism is incredible. They have burned the city's Ecobikes and police cars. I am outraged; they are only creating obstacles and delaying the approval of the law.
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GlasgowJohn
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If you want to protest against something you dont agree with, is there a need to burn cars and throw rocks?
I dont think so.
Also if you are not involved in protesting , there is no need to be in that street when everyone knew there was situation about to develop that wasnt safe.
I dont think so.
Also if you are not involved in protesting , there is no need to be in that street when everyone knew there was situation about to develop that wasnt safe.
EXACTLY. If people want to protest so be it. Always been a lot of protesting in Argentina for decades. It is about intimidation and trying to make problems. I thought Bullrich was going to be tougher on criminals but looks like no.
Betsy Ross
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Makes me so angry seeing this and the police not able to do more.
But I'm confused. It looks like they had things contained with the pepper spray. Looks like that pepper spray didn't work after all.
Betsy Ross
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Actually it was much much worse before. These crowds were tame compared to before but still makes me angry to see them setting cars on fire. Check out this Jenn.But I'm confused. It looks like they had things contained with the pepper spray. Looks like that pepper spray didn't work after all.
Avocado
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@TonyTigre your posts are great. But in this case you are wrong. Look at this video below. These were Diputados and government officials. You can see they were not violent. They could have been dealt with differently vs. spraying with pepper spray. The officers could have tried to arrest them but no need to spray pepper spray in faces of people that aren't resisting and passive and calm. Do you agree?
That is actually hilarious that they came outside to protest and got pepper sprayed. JA, JA. They probably won't do that again. I hope at a minimum this guy got arrested!
Colin
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Sure probably can't hurt but I wonder if it would be more of a nuisance with 50% of the population against you and probably will use it as an excuse to cause problems or protests. Not sure it's worth it now.
LongIslander
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To be fair I doubt a parade will cost much at all. National pride is important and so many countries have gotten away from that.What do all of you Milei supporters think of Milei's increased interest in the military and military spending? I thought No Hay Plata?! Spending time and money on a military parade is the last thing Argentina needs. I hope some of you supporters will at least post when he is making mistakes too. Or will you all say he is doing everything right?
Milei orders military parades for Independence Day celebrations
Milei orders military parades for Independence Day celebrations
Defence Minister Luis Petri announces that President Javier Milei has ordered the restoration of military parades on July 9 marking Independence Day.www.batimes.com.ar
Digital Nomad
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More details on the military parade.
Desfile militar del 9 de Julio: detalles del masivo despliegue del Ejército, la Armada y la Fuerza Aérea
Participarán más de 6.000 militares. Los veteranos de la guerra de Malvinas encabezarán el desfile que se desarrollará a lo largo de la Avenida Libertador a partir de las 10.30. Tres días antes, el sábado 6, se realizará en Plaza de Mayo el tercer cambio de guardia con los tres regimientos...
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Avocado
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People are getting tired of empty promises and questionable spending. No hay plata but Milei wants to spend 2% of GDP on military. No one locally wants military spending. We don't need to spend money we don't have on military.
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The Economist: Javier Milei's military splurge; many Argentines are asking why
Self-proclaimed anarcho-capitalists ought to be skeptical of large standing armies. President Javier Milei of Argentina seems to relish them. Even as he tightens the government purse, he has committed to raising defense spending from 0.5% of gdp to 2% over the next eight years. He vows to...
MickMolloy
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Bullrich has been a huge disappointment sadly. I don't understand it
Agree. I don't want to see them spending that much money on the military either. I don't think we need it. The longer the CEPO is around the less hope I have that things will turn around.
MickMolloy
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The thing that annoys me about Bullrich is the constant bragging about the latest 20kg or whatever drug bust. And while the back slapping press conference is taking place the drug gangs have already produced and sold another 200kg. Everyone knows by this point there these tiny little drug busts are like mopping up water on the Titanic with a kitchen sponge.
Milei was elected because people are desperate for a change yet they still act with one hand tied behind their backs. I wonder if things would be different if Villaruel got minister of security like she wanted instead of the worthless Vice President role. She is way more dynamic and special.
Spend Thrift
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Villaruel will be one to watch. She seems like a ball buster! And fearless too.
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