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What happens if Argentina gets too expensive? What are alternative cities/countries to move to when it's overpriced in Argentina?

Interesting. Against all G7 currencies the dollar is actually up a lot the past few weeks. Shows you how strong the Peso has been, despite almost every prediction to the contrary.
Not sure how healthy this is. Talk to almost anyone in town and they all say peso is overvalued. I ask them when it won't be overvalued anymore and they just laugh. My banker friends tell me that things can stay overvalued for a long period of time.

True Vince. Argentina in dollars is expensive. Not quite like home but will be soon. People talk about slowing inflation but prices are still going up and a lot more than 2%! Healthcare premiums keep going up at about 6% per month. My condo bill and utilities are way up too. Forget about eating out much now.

Restaurants are feeling the pinch. I started seeing a few places start charging 10% to 12% to use a credit card now. They are barely getting by.
Same here. Grocery stores are more stable but everything else keeps going up. More and more of my neighbors are paying their monthly expenses late. Many of them are older and on pensions.
 
Not sure how healthy this is. Talk to almost anyone in town and they all say peso is overvalued. I ask them when it won't be overvalued anymore and they just laugh. My banker friends tell me that things can stay overvalued for a long period of time.


Same here. Grocery stores are more stable but everything else keeps going up. More and more of my neighbors are paying their monthly expenses late. Many of them are older and on pensions.
I just read an article this week about this @Betsy Ross. Maybe on this forum. I heard that is a big reason why new construction is so much more desirable vs older buildings. That the people buying in have more $$$ and they don't fall behind as much as older buildings. And also no need to worry about maintenance or things not getting done. I am looking and the premium is big on new construction vs. older properties. I would also have to renovate which I wouldn't want to tackle.

I have been looking and no one wants to allow payment in dollars anymore on new construction. For the initial payment they will but partial payments during construction it is all with inflation. That would be scary not knowing how much it would be. I want to buy new for a lot of different reasons one of which I would love to pay over a few years but don't want to have to worry about what the inflation will be. Does anyone know if they will cap the monthly interest at all?
 
True Vince. Argentina in dollars is expensive. Not quite like home but will be soon. People talk about slowing inflation but prices are still going up and a lot more than 2%! Healthcare premiums keep going up at about 6% per month. My condo bill and utilities are way up too. Forget about eating out much now.

Restaurants are feeling the pinch. I started seeing a few places start charging 10% to 12% to use a credit card now. They are barely getting by.
This is where the average consumer can never reconcile their everyday lives vs. what their government claims. We've had the same experience here in the US, obviously more muted but I don't know anybody rich or poor whose budget was in sync with the Fed's inflation claims. For my family it's felt like we live on a different planet.
 
This is where the average consumer can never reconcile their everyday lives vs. what their government claims. We've had the same experience here in the US, obviously more muted but I don't know anybody rich or poor whose budget was in sync with the Fed's inflation claims. For my family it's felt like we live on a different planet.
That is what all of my American friends tell me too. My friends Stateside joke that their inflation is like Argentina's! :ROFLMAO: Gas prices, insurance, grocery, utilities, restaurants. No where near the official statistics. That is why Harris lost the race it seems. The economy!

Not where you're moving Vince :)
Very true. @Vince is going to NYC and there is no way that it is cheaper than BA. When I go back to the States for the holidays or to visit relatives I always get sticker shock and could never afford to live the same quality of life as here in BA.
 
This is where the average consumer can never reconcile their everyday lives vs. what their government claims. We've had the same experience here in the US, obviously more muted but I don't know anybody rich or poor whose budget was in sync with the Fed's inflation claims. For my family it's felt like we live on a different planet.
This is the same thing that all my friends in BA are telling me. I send them inflation info that I see online about inflation falling to 1.9% and they just laugh at me and tell me it is not like that. They say things are still going up everywhere. More than what the government is claiming. I can read it on these posts. I wonder why more people aren't posting that the inflation claims aren't true.

@CraigM I noticed the same thing as you. I am just single and luckily don't have a family to support but I am consistently spending way over my budget and it has gotten worse the past year or two. I used to go to the grocery store and with $100 bucks get quite a bit but lately not as much. Insurance is where I feel it the most.
 
Very true. @Vince is going to NYC and there is no way that it is cheaper than BA. When I go back to the States for the holidays or to visit relatives I always get sticker shock and could never afford to live the same quality of life as here in BA.
This. My wife and I are currently in very rural Tennessee visiting my family for Thanksgiving, and it's crazy how high all the prices are compared to BA.

We're stocking up on clothes/towels/bedsheets/electronics here, but we're also really looking forward to getting home where we can afford to live in comfort.
 
This is where the average consumer can never reconcile their everyday lives vs. what their government claims. We've had the same experience here in the US, obviously more muted but I don't know anybody rich or poor whose budget was in sync with the Fed's inflation claims. For my family it's felt like we live on a different planet.
This is why so many voted for Trump. They are feeling it and voted with their pocket books.
This. My wife and I are currently in very rural Tennessee visiting my family for Thanksgiving, and it's crazy how high all the prices are compared to BA.

We're stocking up on clothes/towels/bedsheets/electronics here, but we're also really looking forward to getting home where we can afford to live in comfort.
Wow even in rural Tennessee??? I would have thought it was only in bigger cities but just goes to show you inflation is everywhere. What is high? Grocery stores? Restaurants? That is sad to hear. For when I come back, many are asking me to bring electronics for them. But also towels and sheets and stuff like that. Can't you buy that stuff in Argentina? Or just too many taxes?
 
This is where the average consumer can never reconcile their everyday lives vs. what their government claims. We've had the same experience here in the US, obviously more muted but I don't know anybody rich or poor whose budget was in sync with the Fed's inflation claims. For my family it's felt like we live on a different planet.
Yes @CraigM, same experience for my family here in San Diego. We are already in one of the most expensive cities in the USA. This past year really felt like bizarro world where everyone's budget has suffered. Almost all my friends and neighbors keep complaining about one thing or another. Things are out of whack. Just getting simple things done like getting a plumber, electrician, maid has gotten difficult and much more expensive. Food, and just general things at the store have gotten crazy. Insurance is way out of whack here and skyrocketed. Price of clothing and especially extracurricular activities and things like coaching for lessons have gotten crazy.

This. My wife and I are currently in very rural Tennessee visiting my family for Thanksgiving, and it's crazy how high all the prices are compared to BA.

We're stocking up on clothes/towels/bedsheets/electronics here, but we're also really looking forward to getting home where we can afford to live in comfort.
I don't think any place can escape the inflation that we have seen. I'm hoping Trump isn't too tough on all of these import taxes. Hopefully he is just using it as a negotiating tool because if he really sets import taxes on many Chinese items, prices of things are going to skyrocket even more.

This is why so many voted for Trump. They are feeling it and voted with their pocket books.

Wow even in rural Tennessee??? I would have thought it was only in bigger cities but just goes to show you inflation is everywhere. What is high? Grocery stores? Restaurants? That is sad to hear. For when I come back, many are asking me to bring electronics for them. But also towels and sheets and stuff like that. Can't you buy that stuff in Argentina? Or just too many taxes?
Here in BA the quality of towels and sheets is horrible. Domestic products are terrible and importing stuff still has a ton of taxes and fees. In December some of those import taxes will go away but you still have shipping and 21% IVA tax. It always makes sense to load up on bedding/towels, etc. if you're in the USA and coming down. (Obviously if you live here).
 
This is why so many voted for Trump. They are feeling it and voted with their pocket books.

Wow even in rural Tennessee??? I would have thought it was only in bigger cities but just goes to show you inflation is everywhere. What is high? Grocery stores? Restaurants? That is sad to hear. For when I come back, many are asking me to bring electronics for them. But also towels and sheets and stuff like that. Can't you buy that stuff in Argentina? Or just too many taxes?

Clothes/sheets/towels are all lower quality and higher priced in Argentina... For example, Jumbo has bath towels that are about the same size as the ones we just picked up at Marshalls, and roughly the same price (around US $8 each), but from experience, the ones from Jumbo are super thin and feel like they're worn out when you buy them, while the US ones are very thick and plush.

For the sheets... We have a King size bed in our apartment, and at Jumbo, a set of Polyester/Cotton blend sheets are about $60 while we got two sets of 600 thread count 100% cotton ones for $40 each at Marshalls.

Clothing, same deal. More expensive and lower quality, plus the Argie size charts don't really work for us... In Arg, I'm easily a 4-5XL while in the US, I'm an XL or 2XL, and my wife is a 2XL in Arg, while she's a M in the US.
 
Well if it gets too expensive for you all, you can move to Italy where they are giving houses away for $1.

Hmmm.... My wife and I are eligible to live there already... We've just submitted all the paperwork for her to claim her PT citizenship and I can derive EU right to residency through her...
 
Clothes/sheets/towels are all lower quality and higher priced in Argentina... For example, Jumbo has bath towels that are about the same size as the ones we just picked up at Marshalls, and roughly the same price (around US $8 each), but from experience, the ones from Jumbo are super thin and feel like they're worn out when you buy them, while the US ones are very thick and plush.

For the sheets... We have a King size bed in our apartment, and at Jumbo, a set of Polyester/Cotton blend sheets are about $60 while we got two sets of 600 thread count 100% cotton ones for $40 each at Marshalls.

Clothing, same deal. More expensive and lower quality, plus the Argie size charts don't really work for us... In Arg, I'm easily a 4-5XL while in the US, I'm an XL or 2XL, and my wife is a 2XL in Arg, while she's a M in the US.
True! Bedding in Argentina stink! Quality is crappy. America has great quality with high thread count in towels and sheets. You can buy microfiber towels that are very plush and soft. Argentina has thin poor quality. If you go to a specialty store in the mall it can be 3 X the price as in the USA.

I was surprised a friend bought me some nice towels at Costco and they were 10X better quality than what I could find in BA. Amazon will put some of these local companies out of business.
 
Hmmm.... My wife and I are eligible to live there already... We've just submitted all the paperwork for her to claim her PT citizenship and I can derive EU right to residency through her...
Definitely should do that. Life is very good in the EU contrary to what people say. Spain is great quality of life. Stable, good food, affordable and good weather. Is the paperwork process difficult for your wife? IIRC you mentioned she was from Mercosur country ? Brazil? EU is a nice passport to have.
 
Definitely should do that. Life is very good in the EU contrary to what people say. Spain is great quality of life. Stable, good food, affordable and good weather. Is the paperwork process difficult for your wife? IIRC you mentioned she was from Mercosur country ? Brazil? EU is a nice passport to have.
Yep, she's Brazilian, but her grandmother is Portuguese, so the paperwork isn't bad. Fortunately, being Brazilian cuts out some of the bureaucracy when claiming the PT citizenship, just like it did with the AR residency.
 
Clothes/sheets/towels are all lower quality and higher priced in Argentina... For example, Jumbo has bath towels that are about the same size as the ones we just picked up at Marshalls, and roughly the same price (around US $8 each), but from experience, the ones from Jumbo are super thin and feel like they're worn out when you buy them, while the US ones are very thick and plush.

For the sheets... We have a King size bed in our apartment, and at Jumbo, a set of Polyester/Cotton blend sheets are about $60 while we got two sets of 600 thread count 100% cotton ones for $40 each at Marshalls.

Clothing, same deal. More expensive and lower quality, plus the Argie size charts don't really work for us... In Arg, I'm easily a 4-5XL while in the US, I'm an XL or 2XL, and my wife is a 2XL in Arg, while she's a M in the US.
Clothes suck in Argentina. Expensive and not great quality!

Yes, my girlfriend did the same thing for Spain. Will you live in Argentina or EU?
Seems like so many here in BA have EU passports. My GF and all her friends all have Spanish or Italian passports from their grandparents.

So far we're all-in on Argentina, but it's nice having options.
Options are good! I tried messing around and trying to get my rentista visa but too much paperwork with me here. I am going home for Christmas and will try to do some of it there.
 
So far we're all-in on Argentina, but it's nice having options.
@Darksider415 if I can ask what are the reasons you are still so gung ho on BA? Is there any specific reason? I think it is great because it shows that people love BA more for just being cheap. I find the quality of living here better than many cities. Just expensive now vs. last year!

I have friends that live here and their reasons are it is close to their families. One novia I have here is from Florianopolis and she can't move too far as she is close to her family. Even if she could make more in Spain and it is less she needs to be close to family. I was wondering what reasons people have for staying here.

I use the "Empanada index" for how expensive or cheap things are here Some places have empanadas for almost 3,000 pesos now! The bakery in Recoleta - Dos Escudos had empanadas for 2,700 pesos. But other places have reasonable 900 peso empanadas still. Prices are still all over the place.
 
@Darksider415 if I can ask what are the reasons you are still so gung ho on BA? Is there any specific reason? I think it is great because it shows that people love BA more for just being cheap. I find the quality of living here better than many cities. Just expensive now vs. last year!

I have friends that live here and their reasons are it is close to their families. One novia I have here is from Florianopolis and she can't move too far as she is close to her family. Even if she could make more in Spain and it is less she needs to be close to family. I was wondering what reasons people have for staying here.

I use the "Empanada index" for how expensive or cheap things are here Some places have empanadas for almost 3,000 pesos now! The bakery in Recoleta - Dos Escudos had empanadas for 2,700 pesos. But other places have reasonable 900 peso empanadas still. Prices are still all over the place.
I can't speak for Darksider but speaking for myself I love BA at any price. Prices have jumped up and down here. Sometimes it is cheap and sometimes it gets more expensive. What helps is I already have my apartment paid for and expenses can jump up but they are still a fraction of what it would cost in the US. My monthly condo fees jumped up significantly but still much less than it would cost back home. Utilities are still cheap compared to back home.

BA is home to me and even if it gets more expensive than Switzerland it will be home to me.

Regarding Dos Escudos it has always been more expensive vs. other places. But you are correct that you have to shop around now. Restaurants are charging premium prices and the only way to get their prices down is to stop buying from them.
 
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