Wooohoooo!!!!! One PR down, one to go!

[Jakoval]

It seems like that really is the case! Just seeing this kind of stuff makes me realize how backwards and inefficient they are. They probably need to overhaul that entire department and staff.

Sure enough after I checked back a few min ago, now it's in 'Embalaje' stage. There must have been a glitch in the system. I hope my friend will finally get her DNI this time.

 

[Vince]

Sure enough after I checked back a few min ago, now it's in 'Embalaje' stage. There must have been a glitch in the system. I hope my friend will finally get her DNI this time.

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It must be so nerve racking for people going through this process now. Back when I did mine they didn't have this system to check. Looks like you're friend is almost done. Happy times ahead.

 

[Jakoval]

It must be so nerve racking for people going through this process now. Back when I did mine they didn't have this system to check. Looks like you're friend is almost done. Happy times ahead.

And who would have thunk? It's suddenly in the mail already 🤣

 

[Digital Nomad]

And who would have thunk? It's suddenly in the mail already 🤣


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Awesome! Your friend is lucky! You seem like an expert at this now. Sounds like you know this inside and out!

 

[Wally]

And who would have thunk? It's suddenly in the mail already 🤣


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Seems like maybe the system is improving. That would be great if it is. Hopefully people are scared of losing their jobs if they are so terrible.

 

[Jakoval]

Awesome! Your friend is lucky! You seem like an expert at this now. Sounds like you know this inside and out!

I only know the procedures I've gone through personally. But seriously, without my Argentine partner's help, I could not have done it especially when you deal with Migraciones. It's just so random.

 

[James Bond]

I only know the procedures I've gone through personally. But seriously, without my Argentine partner's help, I could not have done it especially when you deal with Migraciones. It's just so random.

Yes help from an Argentine partner is very key especially if you aren't fluent. There is no ryhme or reason in that process and take 10 different people and do everything the same but you might get 10 different results.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

If Argentina could just streamline the process. They should want a lot of foreigners moving here.

Milei's cabinet needs to hire someone who came from another country and went through all the hoops...they could delete 95% of the nonsense easily...agreed.

The only downside is you said your girlfriend owns some properties in the States. Is she using that for her rentista income?

yep, having a rented house seems to be the easiest way to get Rentier residency, after of course being old and retired/pensioner.

If she becomes a permanent resident here won't she have to pay asset taxes here in Argentina on it once she becomes a permanent resident?

i've read that somewhere between 6 and 9 months you become a "tax resident" regardless of your immigration/citizenship status, simply from being in the country over half the year (i think i remember @Bajo_cero2 saying it was 9 months on the old forum, but i don't remember off the top of my head). like any good Argentine, i plan to hide as much as possible from AFIP, and pay the least amount of taxes i can. there's definitely a Wealth Tax, sure, and that would be one of my biggest reasons to criticize Milei's team if they end up not being able to delete it. Wealth Taxes are quite stupid:



how many argies do you think actually report and pay their worldwide asset stuff? 😛 i'm sure it's a risk to tell AFIP/Immigrations that you own something abroad, especially declaring rental income, but we'll cross that bridge when it comes. i imagine many people on this forum have some good insight, but not sure if anyone wants to 'tell' on themselves here. regardless, i'm in Argentina to mitigate the risk of nuclear WW3 and to live for cheaper than the US and EU, so a future tax audit is a fair trade-off for me. i'll do what everyone else does: pay an accountant/lawyer to make as much go away as possible 😉

sh*t thing is nothing you can do.

can't wait for Correo Argentino to get sold/deleted. just like YPF and Aerolineas Argentinas. government has no business trying to own these voluntary services, and they will never be as efficient. when we allow national governments to regulate stuff (99% unnecessarily), this is what we get:

Just wait until you get your Argentine citizenship and see all the taxes here. You will want to cry. You said you wanted to do everything legally in Argentina. Something tells me you might change your mind. 🤣

as a patriotic future-argentine, i will stand in solidarity with my people and hide as much as possible. taxation is theft. i covered the difference between intentionally breaking a law for years out of laziness with no principled argument, versus rejecting socialism and pseudo-slavery (do i have liberty if i am a wage-slave, forced to allow others to steal a portion of my productivity?) here:

Javier Milei Launches Bitcoin Revolution in Argentina

What great news for crypto and Argentina! https://www.cointribune.com/en/javier-milei-launches-bitcoin-revolution-in-argentina/

www.expatsba.com

i'm not alone in this. Milei said (last year i think), "Taxes are a leftover from slavery and to cut them is to restore liberty to the citizenry. It is uncommonly delirious to regard wages as profit, that’s filthy and must be eliminated."

receives

it has gone back to Verificacion LOL c'est la vie!

weird! my girlfriend's was fast. like, in a week she got notified it was at the Mendoza Migraciones for pickup. they even let her pick it up without her US passport (which is still in Buenos Aires embassy), since they opened it up and saw her photo. she just had to sign for it and write down her new DNI#. glad your friend is done! probably already has the card, yeah? one thing to note is my lady's MiArgentina app STILL won't let her view her Digital DNI. i think ReNaPer or whoever is having some issues. it would have been really nice to have the digital DNI right away, but not a huge deal. also, the DNI cards look crappy and seem like a highschool kid's fake ID ahahahahha

Amazon without problems

i find out in about a week if my first Amazon attempt in 2024 will work. update to come.

Yes help from an Argentine partner is very key especially if you aren't fluent.

or just bring facturas and keep a consistent story with your 75% spanish skills, in my case! i think in order of niceness and work ethic, i would put it Mendoza -> Cordoba -> Buenos Aires (although all i did in CABA was get a Tourist Visa extension and ask about Residencies).

 

[earlyretirement]

Milei's cabinet needs to hire someone who came from another country and went through all the hoops...they could delete 95% of the nonsense easily...agreed.

Totally true. They just need to get someone in charge that understands the complete process from a foreigner's perspective. It makes ZERO sense that they will just allow poor Mercosur citizens to easily come into Argentina and get permanent residency and make it difficult for foreigners that have money. They really need to rework that part of the Mercosur process where Argentina gets the short end of the stick.

i've read that somewhere between 6 and 9 months you become a "tax resident" regardless of your immigration/citizenship status, simply from being in the country over half the year (i think i remember @Bajo_cero2 saying it was 9 months on the old forum, but i don't remember off the top of my head). like any good Argentine, i plan to hide as much as possible from AFIP, and pay the least amount of taxes i can. there's definitely a Wealth Tax, sure, and that would be one of my biggest reasons to criticize Milei's team if they end up not being able to delete it. Wealth Taxes are quite stupid:

I agree they need to get rid of this wealth tax but not sure they will be able to do that. The taxes in Argentina are actually quite high. Most Argentines do try to hide as much as they can but with technology and cooperation amongst countries it is more difficult.

ow many argies do you think actually report and pay their worldwide asset stuff? 😛 i'm sure it's a risk to tell AFIP/Immigrations that you own something abroad, especially declaring rental income, but we'll cross that bridge when it comes. i imagine many people on this forum have some good insight, but not sure if anyone wants to 'tell' on themselves here. regardless, i'm in Argentina to mitigate the risk of nuclear WW3 and to live for cheaper than the US and EU, so a future tax audit is a fair trade-off for me. i'll do what everyone else does: pay an accountant/lawyer to make as much go away as possible

Most Argentines don't report properties they hold overseas and some set up corporations to own it. But even that is probably going to be more and more difficult as there are new laws in the USA to provide more information for LLC's and corporations. Up until now, Argentina wasn't too organized and the technology didn't exist before or NO cooperation with Argentina and USA but that is changing now. You could have an issue using those properties for rentista income because once you get permanent residency they will probably have a record of that asset. But up until now, they are having a tough enough time figuring things out but that will probably change. It isn't too difficult now for them to figure out who owns the property because of the USA's system where you can easily look that up publicly. Probably will face worldwide asset taxes on those properties if you used it for rentista income but probably a good idea to talk to a good accountant once that time comes.

i find out in about a week if my first Amazon attempt in 2024 will work. update to come.

What did you order? Many friends are reporting they are getting packages with no problems now for the first time. You could always order on Amazon before but issue was just in problems at customs but it seems like it's all collected at the time of ordering now and if anything they are collecting more and reimbursing if you paid more. Did you take advantage of those $5 shipping deals @StatusNomadicus? This is a great thing as it will bring down prices of things. Mercado Libre can be a rip off.

 

[Tomahawk]

Does buying an apartment or property here in Argentina help with the process of applying for residency here or getting permanent residency?

 

[Johnny]

Does buying an apartment or property here in Argentina help with the process of applying for residency here or getting permanent residency?

No it does not. I bought an apartment last year and asked about this and it doesn't help at all with getting residency here.

 

[Finance Prof]

can't wait for Correo Argentino to get sold/deleted. just like YPF and Aerolineas Argentinas. government has no business trying to own these voluntary services, and they will never be as efficient. when we allow national governments to regulate stuff (99% unnecessarily), this is what we get:

Agreed. Many companies need to be privatized. They do a horrible job and many just continue to lose money each year. Most of them are sh*t.

No it does not. I bought an apartment last year and asked about this and it doesn't help at all with getting residency here.

Correct. Owning property here doesn't help with residency but if you eventually apply for Citizenship I am told it can help to show you have ties to Argentina and this is home for you. But just look into the tax implications of getting permanent residency here.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

Taxes

relevant post i saw on twitter/X this morning:

Most Argentines do try to hide as much as they can but with technology and cooperation amongst countries it is more difficult.

Cryptocurrencies help solve this tyranny problem 🙂

Probably will face worldwide asset taxes on those properties if you used it for rentista income but probably a good idea to talk to a good accountant once that time comes.

true, it's a risk, just like everything about coming to Argentine it seems, but a risk that seems overall small in scale compared to the decline of my country and the continued warmongering of both parties with Iran and Russia and China. i will be as Argentine as possible and hide my properties/wealth/income, and use an accountant/lawyer when i get to a point where i have enough wealth to protect (right now 90% of my wealth is hidden in Bitcoin Cash fairly well, although i should have diversified my baskets better).

What did you order? Many friends are reporting they are getting packages with no problems now for the first time. You could always order on Amazon before but issue was just in problems at customs but it seems like it's all collected at the time of ordering now and if anything they are collecting more and reimbursing if you paid more. Did you take advantage of those $5 shipping deals @StatusNomadicus? This is a great thing as it will bring down prices of things. Mercado Libre can be a rip off.

i just did a less-than-100-USD test order, since i tried using Amazon twice in Dec2023/Jan2024 and everything got 'eaten' by the customs/import folks. damn commies!

95% of Amazon.com from the USA isn't eligible for shipping to Argentina, still. but certain clothing and small items can be shipped, and yes they collected Import Taxes/tariffs/fees/customs $ at the time of sale/order. and yes it was the $5 USD program 🙂 the time estimate is 3 weeks, and it doesn't appear anything 'moves' for the first 10-14 days. maybe they're loading it into a container slowly until it's full? no idea.

Does buying an apartment or property here in Argentina help with the process of applying for residency here or getting permanent residency?

@Johnny is correct; Locals will assure you it will. Migraciones will tell you that it doesn't mean jack. but i agree with @Finance Prof and lawyers have told me the same...for the 2 years getting Citizenship, i think a Judge would see all of these things as proving you are here legally and living legitimately: phone plan, apartment/house, some kind of work/self-employed business perhaps, gym membership, Spanish fluency, etc. - i want to make my case as easy as possible for the most Peronist of judges.

 

[Betsy Ross]

@Johnny is correct; Locals will assure you it will. Migraciones will tell you that it doesn't mean jack. but i agree with @Finance Prof and lawyers have told me the same...for the 2 years getting Citizenship, i think a Judge would see all of these things as proving you are here legally and living legitimately: phone plan, apartment/house, some kind of work/self-employed business perhaps, gym membership, Spanish fluency, etc. - i want to make my case as easy as possible for the most Peronist of judges.

🤣Realtors always lie about this. They must tell this to every foreigner. I was also told buying my apartment would help with my residency but it did not at all. I never got Citizenship here but it would probably help if I applied. Owning a property here for many years and living full time would establish roots here I would think.

 

[MikeAnton]

@Darksider415 thanks for sharing all of this info. My friend is from Brazil and her spouse is going to be going through this process. What out of pocket prices did you have to pay the government? I assume since you did it yourself it was very easy. Any big fees? I will tell them to come and read your posts but was curious on the out of pocket fees you spent.

 

[Darksider415]

@Darksider415 thanks for sharing all of this info. My friend is from Brazil and her spouse is going to be going through this process. What out of pocket prices did you have to pay the government? I assume since you did it yourself it was very easy. Any big fees? I will tell them to come and read your posts but was curious on the out of pocket fees you spent.

When we did it a year ago, it was around 20k pesos for my wife's and around 40k for mine. At today's prices, it's 50k pesos for Mercosur and 100k for extra-Mercosur. The DNI has also gone up from 300 pesos to 6000 per DNI.

The biggest trick is starting the letter writing campaign early, once you know you have all the docs in. Every 48 hours, write to them, check the status. When it gets over 50 days, start reminding them that their plazos establecidos are 90 days.

 

[Johnny]

When we did it a year ago, it was around 20k pesos for my wife's and around 40k for mine. At today's prices, it's 50k pesos for Mercosur and 100k for extra-Mercosur. The DNI has also gone up from 300 pesos to 6000 per DNI.

The biggest trick is starting the letter writing campaign early, once you know you have all the docs in. Every 48 hours, write to them, check the status. When it gets over 50 days, start reminding them that their plazos establecidos are 90 days.

Wow that is very cheap! I talked to some immigration attorneys to ask about DNI and it was like $5,000 dollars! Pays to just do it yourself. Didn't realize it is so cheap to do it yourself. You sound like an expert now @Darksider415! You should set up shop and help people who are married to Brazillians to do that process.

 

[MikeAnton]

When we did it a year ago, it was around 20k pesos for my wife's and around 40k for mine. At today's prices, it's 50k pesos for Mercosur and 100k for extra-Mercosur. The DNI has also gone up from 300 pesos to 6000 per DNI.

The biggest trick is starting the letter writing campaign early, once you know you have all the docs in. Every 48 hours, write to them, check the status. When it gets over 50 days, start reminding them that their plazos establecidos are 90 days.

Thank you!!! That is what I thought. I didn't think it could be much if you are doing it yourself but I wanted to make sure. I heard it's easier for people from Brazil vs. other Mercosur. Thanks for the great advice about letter writing. Maybe it will get easier with Milei.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

100k for extra-Mercosur

yep, my girlfriend just paid her DNI renewal/prorroga and it was 100,000 Pesos or about $85 USD at that time (extra-MerCoSur)

some immigration attorneys to ask about DNI and it was like $5,000 dollars!

those people are for non-Spanish-speaking rich folks who don't want to deal with as much red tape, or very niche cases like Rubilar's illegal Chinese/Russian clients. but yeah, Darksider crushed it and had a good journal of his residency stuff, and i'm here for anyone who needs help (came here with zero friends/family to help, spoke 60% fluent Spanish, never been to Argentina before, and am currently finishing a Rentista Savings residency application in Cordoba and Mendoza provinces.

I heard it's easier for people from Brazil vs. other Mercosur.

Brazilians are lucky because they get instant Residency, whereas folks from the USA have to pay hundreds of dollars in paperwork, with a lot of unknowns

Tramitar residencia temporaria -radicaciones Mercosur

Para los países: Bolivia, Brasil, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, Paraguay, Perú, Uruguay, Venezuela, Guyana y Surinam.

www.argentina.gob.ar

Maybe it will get easier with Milei.

his immigration team has been absolute dogshit - no clarification on Rentista, no streamlining for those bringing money, nothing. meanwhile, Bolivian communists with zero money are still coming to Argentina and using tons of resources, like in the USA the past years