Any expats own gun in Argentina? Do you want to own a gun or firearm here in our country?

[Larry]

VERY bad news. Congress in Argentina has called for a special session to make it easier to access guns legally. They are trying to give my gun rights. I view this as bad news. As the economy continues to crater with this recession the last thing we need is more guns on the streets.

Diputados convocó a una sesión especial para el 7 de agosto

La Cámara baja anticipó un debate para el próximo meses. Uno de los principales proyectos en el temario será el de la regularización de la tenencia de armas.

www.ambito.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1815802050489242046

 

[Avocado]

The last thing we need with horrible economy is more guns in street. Will be more problems.

 

[Avocado]

Milei and Bullrich want more guns in Argentina. This is what happens when there is more guns.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820106046901289010

 

[StatusNomadicus]

You clearly have lots more to go through....

eh, there has never been a good enough answer for how you can defend your family, as well as the answer of a defensive 9mm Glock pistol. until there is an appropriate answer (not: call the police, de-escalate, run, etc.) then my right to defend myself trumps anyone's fear of an inanimate object. i see i tagged you but meant to tag the commie Larry - not sure why my dyslexia did that twice, now. apologies!

There has not been one single mass shooting since then.

according to whose statistics? and does it matter if the killings stayed the same number, but transitioned to knife deaths? the UK has some big issues, most especially in the Islamist grooming gang areas of England. unfortunately, importing military-age males from Muslim-majority countries hasn't been good for the average English citizen, and i don't think it's getting better:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820163941580091661

and knife crimes are massive in the UK. what do you do if a group of 5 masked men come running at your family with knives? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/25/drug-gangs-worst-spike-knife-gun-crime-five-years/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820163362510250325

@GlasgowJohn - my hero Thomas Sowell has also addressed this issue - culture, not gun availability, is the reason for mass-violence in the UK, whether guns in the past or knives now: "many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals. In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms. In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s – after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions – there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell

there are myriad times when a lawfully-armed peaceful citizen has stopped violent crimes or murders, sometimes just using a defensive display. most criminals want to prey on the helpless, like any psychopath/sociopath

1. Colion Noir four-minute explanation:

2. Brazil female mom/off-duty cop stops a make criminal who was aiming his gun at children and women...kinda graphic:

3. three-minute summary of lawful citizens defending themselves against violent psychos:

4. Gun Ownership effective for public: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...-effective-self-defense-gun-control-p-142-149

5. over 91% of police officers in a 15,000-officer study said that citizen concealed-carry is good: https://www.police1.com/gun-legisla...st-solution-to-gun-violence-7uwWgZ75iwWz9vI9/
there's a reason most cops will suggest law-abiding peaceful people have a way to protect their family, with a defensive firearm.

Look at how many mass shootings are in the USA.

the political agencies who publish some stats are including gang-on-gang violence as "mass shootings" - you take away the 0.1% of psycho people (usually recidivist criminals in gangs) and the statistics change A LOT. Thomas Sowell already debunked the Mass-Shooting myth you've brought-up here, in 2016:

"Mass shootings are often used as examples of a need for gun control. But what puts a stop to mass shootings? Usually the arrival on the scene of somebody else with a gun." https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2016/12/30/thomas-sowell-commentary-history-shows/22748858007/

Gun-Free Zones: "One of the many hard facts that gets overlooked by those impressed by visions and rhetoric is that mass shootings almost invariably occur in gun-free zones like schools, workplaces, or houses of worship." https://www.deseret.com/2007/4/26/2...-collective-guilt-has-part-in-mass-shootings/

"Among the other facts that gun control zealots consistently ignore are data on how many lives are saved each year by a defensive use of guns. This seldom requires actually shooting. Just pointing a loaded gun at an assailant is usually enough to get him to back off, often in some haste. There have been books and articles based on voluminous statistics, including statistics comparing gun laws and gun crime rates in different countries, such as 'Guns and Violence' by Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm of George Mason University. Seldom do these factual studies back up what the gun control zealots are saying. Why would an ultimately factual question about the consequences of gun control laws divide people along ideological lines? Only if at least one set of people were more devoted to their vision than to the facts. This shows up when gun control zealots are asked whether whatever new law they propose would have prevented the shooting rampage that they are using as a stage from which to propose a new clampdown on gun ownership. Almost always, the new law being proposed would not have made the slightest difference. That too is part of the farce. A deadly farce." https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2015/10/17/sowell-gun-control-farce/74058796/

It's impossible for any reasonable person to argue that having so many guns in your country is a good thing.

only according to a commie who hasn't read any evidence that might go against the preconceived 'facts' he already adheres to we have plenty of restrictive gun countries where it's virtually impossible to own a firearm legally...move there if you don't want people having guns. luckily in the USA and Argentina, and places like Czech Republic, peaceful citizens can possess firearms for defensive use against violent animals and humans. sorry if you don't like it - there are hundreds of other countries where you can live, where no civilians can own firearms. leave Argentina and the USA alone.

My cousin's neighbor in Mendoza

holy hell, i just am now reading this thread (i have most the annoying Local Peronists muted). can you connect me with your people in Mendoza?? this is the first time i'm hearing of anyone with friends/family in Mendoza. i just got here recently, and i was living in Mayor Drummond which is near Lujan de Cuyo. weird! @Shoemaker i'll send you a direct message if you have time.

to the Peronist Locals: guns are already here, more illegal than legal, and peaceful citizens don't use pistols to hurt people; only to defend their families. the law already allows for gun ownership. only communists want to disarm citizens so that restricting rights and ethnic-cleansing/etc. is easier in the future. a disarmed populace is more easily manipulated by the elites or the violent group who gains control: https://www.spartanfirearmstraining...ation-is-easier-to-oppress-than-an-armed-one/

 

[Vince]

eh, there has never been a good enough answer for how you can defend your family, as well as the answer of a defensive 9mm Glock pistol. until there is an appropriate answer (not: call the police, de-escalate, run, etc.) then my right to defend myself trumps anyone's fear of an inanimate object. i see i tagged you but meant to tag the commie Larry - not sure why my dyslexia did that twice, now. apologies!


according to whose statistics? and does it matter if the killings stayed the same number, but transitioned to knife deaths? the UK has some big issues, most especially in the Islamist grooming gang areas of England. unfortunately, importing military-age males from Muslim-majority countries hasn't been good for the average English citizen, and i don't think it's getting better:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820163941580091661

and knife crimes are massive in the UK. what do you do if a group of 5 masked men come running at your family with knives? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/25/drug-gangs-worst-spike-knife-gun-crime-five-years/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820163362510250325

@GlasgowJohn - my hero Thomas Sowell has also addressed this issue - culture, not gun availability, is the reason for mass-violence in the UK, whether guns in the past or knives now: "many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals. In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms. In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s – after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions – there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell

there are myriad times when a lawfully-armed peaceful citizen has stopped violent crimes or murders, sometimes just using a defensive display. most criminals want to prey on the helpless, like any psychopath/sociopath

1. Colion Noir four-minute explanation:

2. Brazil female mom/off-duty cop stops a make criminal who was aiming his gun at children and women...kinda graphic:

3. three-minute summary of lawful citizens defending themselves against violent psychos:

4. Gun Ownership effective for public: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...-effective-self-defense-gun-control-p-142-149

5. over 91% of police officers in a 15,000-officer study said that citizen concealed-carry is good: https://www.police1.com/gun-legisla...st-solution-to-gun-violence-7uwWgZ75iwWz9vI9/
there's a reason most cops will suggest law-abiding peaceful people have a way to protect their family, with a defensive firearm.


the political agencies who publish some stats are including gang-on-gang violence as "mass shootings" - you take away the 0.1% of psycho people (usually recidivist criminals in gangs) and the statistics change A LOT. Thomas Sowell already debunked the Mass-Shooting myth you've brought-up here, in 2016:

"Mass shootings are often used as examples of a need for gun control. But what puts a stop to mass shootings? Usually the arrival on the scene of somebody else with a gun." https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2016/12/30/thomas-sowell-commentary-history-shows/22748858007/

Gun-Free Zones: "One of the many hard facts that gets overlooked by those impressed by visions and rhetoric is that mass shootings almost invariably occur in gun-free zones like schools, workplaces, or houses of worship." https://www.deseret.com/2007/4/26/2...-collective-guilt-has-part-in-mass-shootings/

"Among the other facts that gun control zealots consistently ignore are data on how many lives are saved each year by a defensive use of guns. This seldom requires actually shooting. Just pointing a loaded gun at an assailant is usually enough to get him to back off, often in some haste. There have been books and articles based on voluminous statistics, including statistics comparing gun laws and gun crime rates in different countries, such as 'Guns and Violence' by Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm of George Mason University. Seldom do these factual studies back up what the gun control zealots are saying. Why would an ultimately factual question about the consequences of gun control laws divide people along ideological lines? Only if at least one set of people were more devoted to their vision than to the facts. This shows up when gun control zealots are asked whether whatever new law they propose would have prevented the shooting rampage that they are using as a stage from which to propose a new clampdown on gun ownership. Almost always, the new law being proposed would not have made the slightest difference. That too is part of the farce. A deadly farce." https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2015/10/17/sowell-gun-control-farce/74058796/


only according to a commie who hasn't read any evidence that might go against the preconceived 'facts' he already adheres to we have plenty of restrictive gun countries where it's virtually impossible to own a firearm legally...move there if you don't want people having guns. luckily in the USA and Argentina, and places like Czech Republic, peaceful citizens can possess firearms for defensive use against violent animals and humans. sorry if you don't like it - there are hundreds of other countries where you can live, where no civilians can own firearms. leave Argentina and the USA alone.


holy hell, i just am now reading this thread (i have most the annoying Local Peronists muted). can you connect me with your people in Mendoza?? this is the first time i'm hearing of anyone with friends/family in Mendoza. i just got here recently, and i was living in Mayor Drummond which is near Lujan de Cuyo. weird! @Shoemaker i'll send you a direct message if you have time.

to the Peronist Locals: guns are already here, more illegal than legal, and peaceful citizens don't use pistols to hurt people; only to defend their families. the law already allows for gun ownership. only communists want to disarm citizens so that restricting rights and ethnic-cleansing/etc. is easier in the future. a disarmed populace is more easily manipulated by the elites or the violent group who gains control: https://www.spartanfirearmstraining...ation-is-easier-to-oppress-than-an-armed-one/

I have mixed feelings on this. Overall I don't think that more guns in Argentina is a good idea but I see many countries where not having the 2nd amendment is a real problem. My worry is with social media things escalate very quickly. I see this mess in the UK going on and I can see a scenario where there will be mass murders when situations escalate beyond control. Overall I think there are far too many guns in the USA. I can understand the need for guns to protest your home or family but I dont' think anyone needs AR 15 machine guns.

 

[Betsy Ross]

I have mixed feelings on this. Overall I don't think that more guns in Argentina is a good idea but I see many countries where not having the 2nd amendment is a real problem. My worry is with social media things escalate very quickly. I see this mess in the UK going on and I can see a scenario where there will be mass murders when situations escalate beyond control. Overall I think there are far too many guns in the USA. I can understand the need for guns to protest your home or family but I dont' think anyone needs AR 15 machine guns.

I'm in the same camp as you Vince. I have enjoyed living in Argentina for many years without having to worry about gun violence. I do understand the desire for business owners and home owners wanting to protect themselves but I worry that the ease of getting guns will increase the number of guns in the street as well.

I don't believe you will change the minds of those that advocate for more guns. I am not worried about mass murders like some try to play off in the States. More worried that ease of getting guns will make everyday living with criminals getting access to guns more of an issue here. I do understand your points @StatusNomadicus but what do you think would happen in the UK right now if guns were more common like the USA? How do you think that situation in the UK would play out?

 

[James Bond]

eh, there has never been a good enough answer for how you can defend your family, as well as the answer of a defensive 9mm Glock pistol. until there is an appropriate answer (not: call the police, de-escalate, run, etc.) then my right to defend myself trumps anyone's fear of an inanimate object. i see i tagged you but meant to tag the commie Larry - not sure why my dyslexia did that twice, now. apologies!


according to whose statistics? and does it matter if the killings stayed the same number, but transitioned to knife deaths? the UK has some big issues, most especially in the Islamist grooming gang areas of England. unfortunately, importing military-age males from Muslim-majority countries hasn't been good for the average English citizen, and i don't think it's getting better:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820163941580091661

and knife crimes are massive in the UK. what do you do if a group of 5 masked men come running at your family with knives? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/25/drug-gangs-worst-spike-knife-gun-crime-five-years/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820163362510250325

@GlasgowJohn - my hero Thomas Sowell has also addressed this issue - culture, not gun availability, is the reason for mass-violence in the UK, whether guns in the past or knives now: "many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals. In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms. In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s – after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions – there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell

there are myriad times when a lawfully-armed peaceful citizen has stopped violent crimes or murders, sometimes just using a defensive display. most criminals want to prey on the helpless, like any psychopath/sociopath

1. Colion Noir four-minute explanation:

2. Brazil female mom/off-duty cop stops a make criminal who was aiming his gun at children and women...kinda graphic:

3. three-minute summary of lawful citizens defending themselves against violent psychos:

4. Gun Ownership effective for public: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...-effective-self-defense-gun-control-p-142-149

5. over 91% of police officers in a 15,000-officer study said that citizen concealed-carry is good: https://www.police1.com/gun-legisla...st-solution-to-gun-violence-7uwWgZ75iwWz9vI9/
there's a reason most cops will suggest law-abiding peaceful people have a way to protect their family, with a defensive firearm.


the political agencies who publish some stats are including gang-on-gang violence as "mass shootings" - you take away the 0.1% of psycho people (usually recidivist criminals in gangs) and the statistics change A LOT. Thomas Sowell already debunked the Mass-Shooting myth you've brought-up here, in 2016:

"Mass shootings are often used as examples of a need for gun control. But what puts a stop to mass shootings? Usually the arrival on the scene of somebody else with a gun." https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2016/12/30/thomas-sowell-commentary-history-shows/22748858007/

Gun-Free Zones: "One of the many hard facts that gets overlooked by those impressed by visions and rhetoric is that mass shootings almost invariably occur in gun-free zones like schools, workplaces, or houses of worship." https://www.deseret.com/2007/4/26/2...-collective-guilt-has-part-in-mass-shootings/

"Among the other facts that gun control zealots consistently ignore are data on how many lives are saved each year by a defensive use of guns. This seldom requires actually shooting. Just pointing a loaded gun at an assailant is usually enough to get him to back off, often in some haste. There have been books and articles based on voluminous statistics, including statistics comparing gun laws and gun crime rates in different countries, such as 'Guns and Violence' by Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm of George Mason University. Seldom do these factual studies back up what the gun control zealots are saying. Why would an ultimately factual question about the consequences of gun control laws divide people along ideological lines? Only if at least one set of people were more devoted to their vision than to the facts. This shows up when gun control zealots are asked whether whatever new law they propose would have prevented the shooting rampage that they are using as a stage from which to propose a new clampdown on gun ownership. Almost always, the new law being proposed would not have made the slightest difference. That too is part of the farce. A deadly farce." https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2015/10/17/sowell-gun-control-farce/74058796/


only according to a commie who hasn't read any evidence that might go against the preconceived 'facts' he already adheres to we have plenty of restrictive gun countries where it's virtually impossible to own a firearm legally...move there if you don't want people having guns. luckily in the USA and Argentina, and places like Czech Republic, peaceful citizens can possess firearms for defensive use against violent animals and humans. sorry if you don't like it - there are hundreds of other countries where you can live, where no civilians can own firearms. leave Argentina and the USA alone.


holy hell, i just am now reading this thread (i have most the annoying Local Peronists muted). can you connect me with your people in Mendoza?? this is the first time i'm hearing of anyone with friends/family in Mendoza. i just got here recently, and i was living in Mayor Drummond which is near Lujan de Cuyo. weird! @Shoemaker i'll send you a direct message if you have time.

to the Peronist Locals: guns are already here, more illegal than legal, and peaceful citizens don't use pistols to hurt people; only to defend their families. the law already allows for gun ownership. only communists want to disarm citizens so that restricting rights and ethnic-cleansing/etc. is easier in the future. a disarmed populace is more easily manipulated by the elites or the violent group who gains control: https://www.spartanfirearmstraining...ation-is-easier-to-oppress-than-an-armed-one/

@StatusNomadicus I've been against guns my entire life but you have actually convinced me that guns are not a bad thing. I am seeing what is going on in my beloved UK. I have a good friend that was arrested for sharing a post on Facebook. Nothing violent. I doubt this could happen in the USA with people and their 2nd amendment right to bare arms.

After witnessing this I wouldn't advocate people to ever give up their guns.

 

[Blockchain]

@StatusNomadicus I've been against guns my entire life but you have actually convinced me that guns are not a bad thing. I am seeing what is going on in my beloved UK. I have a good friend that was arrested for sharing a post on Facebook. Nothing violent. I doubt this could happen in the USA with people and their 2nd amendment right to bare arms.

After witnessing this I wouldn't advocate people to ever give up their guns.

Seeing the madness going on in the UK. That is totally nuts that people are getting 20 month jail sentences for posting on Facebook. The government is trying to scare people into submission. I doubt it will work.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823250042481696961

 

[Blockchain]

Meanwhile you have thugs like this with knives all over London. This kind of thing in the U.S. would last about 2 minutes before someone shot them.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823265054009053326

 

[Digital Nomad]

Seeing the madness going on in the UK. That is totally nuts that people are getting 20 month jail sentences for posting on Facebook. The government is trying to scare people into submission. I doubt it will work.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823250042481696961

At least it seems people aren't going to tolerate it. Loved this video.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823417320079045001

 

[FuturoBA]

Not a gun guy but philosophically I understand and agree with the principles. In practice, esp in Argentina I guess I don't know enough about the history, but considering its relative safety, I would probably side on limiting it due to unknown secondary effects.

For the pros and principled this is a good read

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823878805812806030

"Free speech, when available, can be used to defend many things, but when it is under threat, it cannot be used to defend itself. The right to bear arms, however, can be used to defend the right to bear arms. And that is the difference."

Arms ultimately defends speech.

 

[Wally]

Not a gun guy but philosophically I understand and agree with the principles. In practice, esp in Argentina I guess I don't know enough about the history, but considering its relative safety, I would probably side on limiting it due to unknown secondary effects.

Exactly. That is why I prefer gun control in Argentina. Not sure of the unintended consequences. Safety is fairly safe now and don't want that to change.

 

[Digital Nomad]

Just saw this. Argentina very low with 7.4 guns per 100 citizens.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824425800625479848