continuing on with the
RADEX process in getting a
Precaria:
1.
https://radex.dnm.gov.ar/ reroutes to
RADEX | DNM
www.migraciones.gov.ar
where you click the first button to get to
Intranet de la Dirección Nacional de Migraciones
www.migraciones.gov.ar
2. getting from
Paso1 to
Paso2 was the hardest for me, weirdly enough! you need to pay 6000 Pesos with Cash or Credit Card on
https://pagos.dnm.gov.ar/tramite_online/index/index.php by registering an email address and password for the "
Pagos" or Payments Step1 site. why this can't all be on the same site, no one knows.
3. once you verify your email and are all registered on the
Pagos page, you can input all your info and request a Residency (i did
Rentista). when it's all done and you get to the "
Finalizar Orden" part, that button is supposed to keep a browser tab open on Pagos.DNM.gov.ar (note it's
GOV like the USA's domains, not "GOB" like most Argentine government sites), while opening a payment page on
NPS.com
4. this is the silly part - you pay on NPS.com with a credit or debit card, but it never re-routes you back to the
Migraciones Pagos page. it shows "payment approved" (
La transacción del organismo DIRECCIÓN NACIONAL DE MIGRACIONES fue APROBADA) - but then the tab doesn't work on
Pagos, so it has an error and then the Credit Card button disappears, and only the
Efectivo button remains. now you're stuck for days/weeks, and Support can't help.
5. you then get an email from
ProvinciaPagos with your "
ticket"/receipt showing you paid 6000 Pesos ($7 USD) with card, with a confirmation code and all that. many days later, when you're wondering where your PDF attachments are for Step2, you re-try another card on your
Pagos account, but it's broken in different ways; either the
Tarjeta De Crédito button is still missing, or you go in an remove your information and re-submit, make another payment this time on your smartphone or another browser/computer, but the same thing happens.
i don't know how i got mine to work. i paid 2-3 times the 6000 Pesos and after a couple weeks, my account suddenly was different when i logged-in, and i got a new email from
Migraciones with Step2 steps and PDFs to do the next parts! that being said, i just did this and am currently helping my girlfriend with the same process (different form of Rentista, but same process overall), and we've tried iPhone Safari, mobile mode, desktop mode, Chrome phone browser on 2 different iPhone models with different software versions, Edge browser on Windows 10, Chrome and Safari browser on Mac, pop-ups allowed globally, reduced privacy protections, VPN on and off, and using cellular T-Mobile a well as Movistar cell network. nothing seems to work. perhaps it's just a time thing??
the aggravating part is
not knowing when we have other stuff that we could be doing in the meantime (and her tourist visa is expiring in a week-ish). did the payment work? her banks say so. is it just a website glitch? well, contacting
Migraciones just means they send you an email that doesn't answer your question, and you have to change email addresses to be able to message them more than 1x every 48 hours.
https://www.migraciones.gov.ar/contacto/ responds within a business day, but never answers anything and only says 'you need to pay to get past Step1' -
yeah dude, i understand, which is why i wrote a 600-character question about why it's saying i haven't paid, and here are my transaction proof codes!
this is the email you will get, every time, no matter what you write them about this possible website-to-website error:
"Hello _________, We thank you for contacting us this way and we hope that the answer to your question will be useful to you. Step 1 of the procedure is incomplete, the method of payment for the tickets needs to be selected. You must enter step 1 registered user, you will see an incomplete order, enter the order, select the payment method for the missing receipts, then they will arrive in your email to pay for them. After paying them within 5 business days, you will receive the credential to carry out step 2 of the procedure, where you upload the documentation, finalize it and obtain your appointment. Do not reply to this message as the sender is an autobox. If you have a new concern or query, do not hesitate to write to us at our Single Contact Channel and we will respond as soon as possible."
(
Hola ________________, Te agradecemos por ponerte en contacto por esta vía y esperamos que la respuesta a tu consulta te sea de utilidad. Está incompleto el paso 1 del trámite, falta seleccionar el medio de pago de las boletas. Debe ingresar a paso 1 usuario registrado, le va a figurar orden incompleta, ingresa a la orden, selecciona el medio de pago de las boletas faltantes, luego le llegaran a su mail para abonarlas. Después de abonarlas dentro de los 5 días hábiles le llegara la credencial para realizar el paso 2 del trámite, donde carga la documentación finaliza la misma y obtiene su cita. No respondas a este mensaje ya que el remitente es una casilla automática. En caso de tuvieras una nueva inquietud o consulta no dudes en escribirnos a nuestro Canal Único de Contacto y te contestaremos a la brevedad.)
it makes me wonder if just clicking "Cash" and paying the 6000 Pesos at
BNA/
Banco Nación would have been quicker overall, although the website says paying with a card will be instant, whereas Cash takes 5 days or so. maybe someone with a little more time can try this on their
RADEX journey and update here.
timeline for my successful appointment (pre-
Precaria) was:
- 16Mar i paid RADEX 6000 Pesos in the morning with a card (laptop, Chrome browser, credit card). no email back other than a receipt.
- 17Mar i contacted Support, them asking WTF?
- 18Mar Migraciones emailed me back, saying i hadn't paid (i did).
- 03Apr still nothing. bank posted the payment was confirmed. nothing in email, or Spam, and the Support channel was useless. so, i paid a second 6000 Pesos with a card (phone, Safari, debit card). then messaged Support asking to check if this one worked.
- 04Apr Migraciones emailed me again, saying i still hadn't paid (i did, twice now).
- 05Apr 07:30 Migraciones emailed me back again, saying i needed to pay Step1 to get my Recidivism invoice (see a trend here? they have no clue).
- 05Apr 10:20 i went to pay a 3rd time, and suddenly my account on Pagos.DNM was different, with a new message and a big green checkmark (the spinning icon went away) "Finalizó correctamente el Paso 1 de registro y pago. Dentro de 5 días hábiles de efectuado el pago, cada solicitante de radicación recibirá en su respectiva casilla de correo electrónico el Usuario y Clave que le permitirá avanzar al Paso 2 para cargar la solicitud de trámite. (En caso de no recibirlaen el plazo indicado envíe un mensaje adireccion.radicaciones@migraciones.gov.ar) - Nota: Concluido el Paso 2, recibirá un mail para fijar una cita para tomarle las huellas digitales y la foto que llevará su DNI, así como también exhibir la documentación original que escaneó al inicio del trámite. Enesta ocasión, le entregarán una Autorizaciónde Residencia Precaria hasta tanto reciba elDNI en su domicilio" (attached screenshot).
- 05Apr 10:30 i had an email with Boletas de Pago. go get the Reincidencias page printed (the other PDF is just a receipt for your 6000 Pesos) and take it to a Post Office Correo Argentino to pay 4800 Pesos ($5 USD) in cash. you have five days to do this part!!! (supposedly). while you're out, get a police certificate for your address (Declaración Jurada in Cordoba Province or Certificado De Domicilio in BsAs) for free at a police substation.
- 05Apr 10:40 i had a "Credencial" emailed to me with my email address as username, and an assigned password, with the link https://radex.dnm.gov.ar/pretramite/ to log-in and upload photos from my phone for a Precaria.
- once your RENAPER 4800 Pesos payment clears in a few business days, you upload all the required stuff on your cellphone as photos (FBI report, Apostille page, supporting documentation, Apostille page of that, police Declaración Jurada / Certificado De Domicilio, photo of yourself that will appear on your pre-Precaria, and photo of your passport (both pages signature and photo/data) similar to the requirements for a Residencia Temporaria renewal from the old forum:
I looked at the Radex portal and could not make out what I have to upload in the way of jpg. files of documents. I assume I need a current resident domicilio from the local police station, current DNI front and back, passport with the Argentine consulate permit page as well as the face/eagle...
baexpats.org
- then once everything is uploaded to RADEX, you get an email with a Certificado Electrónico de Residencia Precaria (which i'll just call a pre-Precaria) that lasts until the day of your cita/appointment physically at Migraciones. mine was a 9-day duration, and my photo selfie was upside-down. i don't know if this pre-Precaria could be used for a CDI, bank account, etc. like a 90-day actual Precaria can be, but it would be worth trying. it has a Numero De Expediente that you will use again, so write it down and take a photo of it.
- next, get all your documents translated in that 9-day period (hopefully you have longer, or you did this already) ... FBI and Apostille, supporting/bank documentation and Apostille. you pay per word/page a Certified Public Translator and Legalized at the college (i paid about $200 USD total, but quotes were 300-700 bucks).
- 24Apr my appointment at Migraciones occurred from about 08:45-12:30 as i documented in another post. i had to come back with a Public Accountant statement, which cost about $120 USD total.
- 02May returned in-person to Migraciones as instructed by the employee in Cordoba, without an appointment, showed her i did everything i could, she liked the Accountant's attestation (which is completely unprovable that the income is fixed, of course), and after a couple hours i got a full Precaria to last 90 days. i understand this can be renewed 10 days prior to its expiration (online i suppose, so i'll document that later if needed). she gave me the printed Precaria with another page of instructions to open a bank account and get a Constancia (account opening proof), which i did at Banco Nacional Argentina/BNA which took about 3 hours.
- i uploaded the Constancia to https://www.migraciones.gov.ar/accesible/consultaTramitePrecaria/ConsultaUnificada.php using my Numero de Expediente and date of birth. it had a button asking for documents, which i uploaded the Constancia as a PDF and the button went away and now the status is "pending web documentation" or something. i might have to sign a form and bring it in-person...not sure. but they are supposedly posting updates on that site that you need to manually check and stay on top of.
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hope this helps someone else, and if anyone knows how to beat the glitch between Pagos.DNM and NPS.com please share!!!
