StatusNomadicus
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Has anyone applied and been approved for the Rentista visa?
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StatusNomadicus
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note that the title of this is about Residency and not a Visa, although it is confusing at first regarding the distinction of residency/visa. see more updates about Cordoba Province Rentista residency process with Migraciones on the other thread:
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Argentina Rentista Visa for 2024? What is the minimum income now for retirement visa for Argentina?
Thanks for the update @StatusNomadicus. One thing to be aware of is there have been reports in the news that Argentina's AFIP and USA's IRS will begin to share information with one another starting in 2025. They have said that before but with President Milei's close relationship with the USA...
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Also lots of confusion on citizenship vs residency/immigration, an old one but a goodie on the censored forum.note that the title of this is about Residency and not a Visa, although it is confusing at first regarding the distinction of residency/visa. see more updates about Cordoba Province Rentista residency process with Migraciones on the other thread:
Argentina Rentista Visa for 2024? What is the minimum income now for retirement visa for Argentina?
Thanks for the update @StatusNomadicus. One thing to be aware of is there have been reports in the news that Argentina's AFIP and USA's IRS will begin to share information with one another starting in 2025. They have said that before but with President Milei's close relationship with the USA...
Immigration For Dummies
................................................................... AT A GLANCE ...................................................... ........... ......... Worth A 1000 Words ..............................................................2 PROCESSES (NON MERCOSUR) ...
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Spend Thrift
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What happened to that old forum? It used to have a lot of knowledgeable posts but seems like all just fight now. A shame.Also lots of confusion on citizenship vs residency/immigration, an old one but a goodie on the censored forum.
Immigration For Dummies
................................................................... AT A GLANCE ...................................................... ........... ......... Worth A 1000 Words ..............................................................2 PROCESSES (NON MERCOSUR) ...
StatusNomadicus
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luckily earlyretirement and @God/moderators have been duplicating those useful posts here (although we still don't have a good system for marking the cross-posts). the old one is ran by a Russian dude named Igor who has some weird political/censorship issues, which is why earlyretirement was forced to make this new forum ExpatsBA.com
Spend Thrift
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Oh wow. I get it now. It sounds like the owner of that old site is running off all the established members. I get it now.
StatusNomadicus
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i didn't get censored (i would have at some point, perhaps) and i didn't get run-off, but when i found out that you weren't allowed to delete your profile on that site, i got .... offended? .... and messaged the owner Igor to remove all my information. i despise businesses that don't make it easy to delete accounts. i know it''s petty, but it's 2024 and it should be easy to remove information online.
note that the owner Igor said that he thought making a competing (not censored) forum for Buenos Aires was unethical: https://baexpats.org/threads/posts-...ted-on-another-forum.46603/page-2#post-441158
disagree. Igor didn't adapt to the times, and now he's increasingly irrelevant. i hope BuySellBA makes billions, and i hope this forum is the go-to for Argentina and surrounding countries
StatusNomadicus
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update on a Rentista Residency that i witnessed get approved: based on the questions from the old forum in 2022 here,
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it doesn't take years anymore, i personally can confirm owning a house and doing the Rentier Residency is about 3 months from the first in-person appointment in Cordoba, to get a Temporary Residence approval (and 15-days-later DNI creation process). the correct part about the previous forum posts is that the Residency is only going to match the Rental Contract, so by the time you submit everything it will be less than a year, in the case i saw the documents, it was a Residency of 7 months only. but still enough to use 6 months of Tourist Visa, 3 months of Precaria, and 7 months of Residency to IN THEORY apply for citizenship after a full year in-country, at the nearby Federal Court. i will also be tracking this process, and can answer questions for any of you guys' family/friends who are trying Residency in Argentina 2024/2025 🙂
Rentista visa on the income from a mortgaged property.
Have anyone done this before? I own a property that if rented out can make enough money in monthly payments to qualify for rentista visa, but I haven’t fully paid the mortgage off yet. Is that gonna be a problem while applying for rentista visa or Migraciones only cares about monthly payments to...
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correct. this is still the case in Sep2024, at least under the Cordoba Delegation.
not in Cordoba, where you just need to deposit one month of 5x salary into BancoNacion savings account (about 1,200,000 Pesos, then) and write a letter explaining the monthly income cannot all be deposited since it is fixed, monthly, and subject to the required 1-year written rental lease (they will initially insist you need to deposit 12 months of income at once to get approved...this is untrue if you keep pressing them and explaining)
it doesn't take years anymore, i personally can confirm owning a house and doing the Rentier Residency is about 3 months from the first in-person appointment in Cordoba, to get a Temporary Residence approval (and 15-days-later DNI creation process). the correct part about the previous forum posts is that the Residency is only going to match the Rental Contract, so by the time you submit everything it will be less than a year, in the case i saw the documents, it was a Residency of 7 months only. but still enough to use 6 months of Tourist Visa, 3 months of Precaria, and 7 months of Residency to IN THEORY apply for citizenship after a full year in-country, at the nearby Federal Court. i will also be tracking this process, and can answer questions for any of you guys' family/friends who are trying Residency in Argentina 2024/2025 🙂
Spend Thrift
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Thank you for the updates. @StatusNomadicus how many hours do you think you have spent on this all in? Just your best case estimate? I don't know why the government makes this so difficult. Makes no sense.update on a Rentista Residency that i witnessed get approved: based on the questions from the old forum in 2022 here,
Rentista visa on the income from a mortgaged property.
Have anyone done this before? I own a property that if rented out can make enough money in monthly payments to qualify for rentista visa, but I haven’t fully paid the mortgage off yet. Is that gonna be a problem while applying for rentista visa or Migraciones only cares about monthly payments to...
correct. this is still the case in Sep2024, at least under the Cordoba Delegation.
not in Cordoba, where you just need to deposit one month of 5x salary into BancoNacion savings account (about 1,200,000 Pesos, then) and write a letter explaining the monthly income cannot all be deposited since it is fixed, monthly, and subject to the required 1-year written rental lease (they will initially insist you need to deposit 12 months of income at once to get approved...this is untrue if you keep pressing them and explaining)
it doesn't take years anymore, i personally can confirm owning a house and doing the Rentier Residency is about 3 months from the first in-person appointment in Cordoba, to get a Temporary Residence approval (and 15-days-later DNI creation process). the correct part about the previous forum posts is that the Residency is only going to match the Rental Contract, so by the time you submit everything it will be less than a year, in the case i saw the documents, it was a Residency of 7 months only. but still enough to use 6 months of Tourist Visa, 3 months of Precaria, and 7 months of Residency to IN THEORY apply for citizenship after a full year in-country, at the nearby Federal Court. i will also be tracking this process, and can answer questions for any of you guys' family/friends who are trying Residency in Argentina 2024/2025 🙂
StatusNomadicus
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well, i research things to death, for most undertakings, so i'm a bit of a weirdo that likes to understand the 'why' of everything i do - and i want to document everything for my friends/family coming here...so i'm adding extra time. but something crazy like 200 hours maybe? but i'm also the psycho that feeds his dog raw bones/organs, and doesn't drink hard alcohol or smoke, and i had chickens for organic eggs...but A LOT of time. but i love reading about laws and what other people do. and i like helping, so if your friends/family ever need help with the process, i can at least get them up to the point i am at (my girlfriend has a DNI now, but i don't yet)
Betsy Ross
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Thanks for putting in all the time and research. I can tell you do a lot of research. I didn't have the patience for this when I got my DNI. I was told that I would spin my wheels and it would be cheaper just to pay an immigration lawyer so that's what I did. 200 hours is insane. Great news about your girlfriend! How come she got hers sooner than you?
Spend Thrift
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200 hours? Wow! That is dedication but you will be satisfied if you get it. It sounds like you know the process well if your girlfriend got it already. I talked to an immigration attorney and it sounds like half the battle is just paperwork. Thanks.
StatusNomadicus
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because i went first, was the guinea pig, so everything she had to do (up to this point) was already known, and thus faster for her time on the 'unknown' things. and at this juncture, i'm trying the Rentista Savings account (still very uncertain, and i've never read if anyone has actually gotten approved), whereas she owns a house and went the route of the traditional/easier Rentista (which i think is funny, because with a mortgage on a house, you really are just breaking-even a lot and don't really have the 2k/month income...yet i legitimately had 40k dollars isolated in a HYSA that pays 5% interest and gives monthly automatic payments, specifically set-up for immigration to Argentina...yet i'm the one being scrutinized, ahahaha)
i paid for a couple consults with Residency lawyers, and they all have different opinions. if you don't want to pay the 6,500 Dollars to @Bajo_cero2 you can just follow these forums and be patient. i think it's similar to buying an apartment/house/property without a Realtor in the USA - usually just having a Real Estate Lawyer and a Title Company you trust are the most important parts, but for the first purchase or people who get intimidated easily, the Immigration Lawyers or Realtors will charge you a hefty fee to 'hold your hand' and always be there to comfort you on the next step. i would never attempt this type of thing without the vast knowledge on the internet (although finding it, and deciding what is already outdated is the hard part) - thanks fo forums like these by earlyretirement, i suspect thousands of people can save thousands of dollars on lawyers/etc.
if anyone wants to work on an "Article" section with me, let me know if that's something interesting. i think the old censored forum is off to a good start, if you look at the "Articles" section:
...but imagine if it were more of an 'updated-frequently guide for the most common things you'll do in Argentina' - we could have a continually crowd-sourced way of keeping things accurate, sort of like a Wiki about things like Tourist Visa Extension, Transitory Residency for 6 months as a student, Temporary Residency for 1 year as ________, Marriage to Argentine, obtaining DNI, getting Passport, etc.
i was going to write-up something and propose it to the Mod(s), but i also am not an expert or a website genius. but i think a one-stop-shop mindset for this forum could help people AND make earlyretirement more Ad revenue and traffic to his BsAs businesses 🙂 win/win
Vince
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Sounds like a good idea @StatusNomadicus . I had lunch with @earlyretirement a few months ago. He told me that he didn't make this website for ad revenue or traffic or to make money. Only to share valuable information so I'm sure if you do a write-up and it's helpful he would post it.
Uncle Wong
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Sounds like a great idea! Seems like so many things change there over time so good to have a place to easily find it.
Thank you for sharing information. I have gone online to a few places and trying to get as much info as I can. I am trying to move here and find a long-term rental. It is much more difficult than I thought. Some Airbnb owners are jerks! Others want an entire year up front!
I am trying to get permanent residency here and get my dni. And then hopefully obtain Argentine citizenship with my wife.
We are here now trying to get an Airbnb or other longer term rental for 6 months. We didn't have all the documents we need so might have to go back to the US to get them and then come back or maybe we can get them remote.
Will overstaying past the 90 days have any negative effect on our rentista visa? Is there a certain amount of time you can max overstay? Or the # of times you can do this? Will paying the fine in any way affect the rentista visa?
If we start the rentista visa now and we have to provide an address here in BA does it matter if the address isn't the same when we come back? Or is it better to stay in a hotel and apply there and come back again and explain the situation to them? Or does the address part not matter? I have a local friend I might be able to use her address.
An immigration lawyer told me that I could set up an LLC and get annual dividends as proof of passive income. He said to get a letter from CPA stating that I get annual dividends of more than $25k and a bank statement showing the dividends coming from my LLC and a certificate of good standing from the state where the LLC is from. I read on another forum the dividends have to be monthly. Is that true? Or is annual ok? How many months bank statements do I need to submit?
Thanks to all of you that provided info.
I am trying to get permanent residency here and get my dni. And then hopefully obtain Argentine citizenship with my wife.
We are here now trying to get an Airbnb or other longer term rental for 6 months. We didn't have all the documents we need so might have to go back to the US to get them and then come back or maybe we can get them remote.
Will overstaying past the 90 days have any negative effect on our rentista visa? Is there a certain amount of time you can max overstay? Or the # of times you can do this? Will paying the fine in any way affect the rentista visa?
If we start the rentista visa now and we have to provide an address here in BA does it matter if the address isn't the same when we come back? Or is it better to stay in a hotel and apply there and come back again and explain the situation to them? Or does the address part not matter? I have a local friend I might be able to use her address.
An immigration lawyer told me that I could set up an LLC and get annual dividends as proof of passive income. He said to get a letter from CPA stating that I get annual dividends of more than $25k and a bank statement showing the dividends coming from my LLC and a certificate of good standing from the state where the LLC is from. I read on another forum the dividends have to be monthly. Is that true? Or is annual ok? How many months bank statements do I need to submit?
Thanks to all of you that provided info.
I don't think it really matters what address you use to start the process. Mine changed from the time I started to the time I finished. Overstaying will have no effect at all on the rentista application. I know several that overstayed multiple times and non issue when they went through rentista. No one cares at all.
Talk to an attorney as it is very difficult to do it all yourself. At a minimum you will need help pushing it through at the end where it usually gets tied up. Just make sure the letter has enough income to add up for both you and your spouse. My attorney told me that it had to be minimum monthly income so not sure if the annual dividend will work. I think they need to see it each month because presumably you will love off that dividend each month.
StatusNomadicus
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@Bingo how many times have you been to Argentina?? seems like big plans...there was SO much that i read online, that ended up being very untrue when i got to Buenos Aires in Nov2023.
1. i wouldn't pay a year up-front, or even consider long-term renting without a DNI number. i lived in Airbnbs if you check my past posts, for several months in 3 provinces, and i can help you find some good listings on Airbnb to negotiate with (paying in Dollars, Zelle, crypto maybe but probably not, haggling from their Foreigner Pricing, etc.) - let me know which area, and when! 90% of Argies don't travel much and have sh*t customer service, so when you find a good landlord/Host, appreciate them.and don't be afraid to move your suitcase every month or 2 - there's a lot of freedom in being mobile, though some people can't handle the "stress." i found lots of places that looked good on paper, but were shady after being there a week. i was ALWAYS glad to be independent.
2. why permanent residency and citizenship? for me, i want to renounce my USA passport some day, so i'm here for political reasons (and safety from wars/nonsense/Islamism). have you read Doug Casey and James Hickman online? great resources.
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3. Immigration will need original. physical copies of a lot of pointless stuff. make sure you plan your trips perfectly, or you'll end up restarting the "clock" or paying $120 USD for DHL to send you a few pages. many things just take months to do. for instance, i bought a house in October/November a few months ago and i STILL don't have the deed 😛 we say "cosas argentinas"
4. i personally wouldn't overstay, because it's not a "crime" now, but it's still a violation of your visa. old-school people here will swear that it will never change...but it's up to your personal risk factor. i like to do everything in the "white" and have a perfect papertrail. just my style. if you're in Argentina for 90 days and you like it, just go pay the $20 USD or whatever and extend your Tourist Visa another 90 days - it takes 3 hours max, and i haven't heard of anyone getting denied. of course it's stressful not knowing if you'll be able to stay, 10 days in the future (you can't extend it until the last second, stupidly). there's a ton of info if you use the Search function here and on the old censored forum BAExpats dot org (but the owner Igor is a communist douchebag and deletes a ton of posts like a psycho).
5. i haven't had a stable address until i closed on my house in Mendoza, so if you have a friend that can let you use their mailing address, you're ahead of the game!! you can always change your address down the road - just the usual trámite bureaucracy like anywhere, to adjust it (i did mine at the Civil Registry in 2 hours, then got Immigration to change it in their system).
6. regarding your immigration lawyer, was it Delgado? most of those people have no clue, and don't actually have success stories. especially Rubilar, who is probably the biggest scammy-salesman. i asked 4 lawyers about everything from LLC, to Trust, to monthly transfers, but every single one has a different opinion. 2 lawyers once told me 2 opposite things. i'm currently 12 months into a Rentista application, and so far the Mendoza delegation has worked with me, but wants me to deposit A YEAR of 5x salaries into an Argentine bank account. so, be careful what you choose. they wanted me to do about 17k USD deposited in my Banco Nacion savings Peso account, at the official rate. and get proof apostilled, translated, accountant legalized, etc. which costs 400 bucks after all the paperwork and shipping. so let me know if you have any specific questions. and trust no one who is taking money from you 😛 Rentier stuff just is still Wild West territory, if you read these forums.
1. i wouldn't pay a year up-front, or even consider long-term renting without a DNI number. i lived in Airbnbs if you check my past posts, for several months in 3 provinces, and i can help you find some good listings on Airbnb to negotiate with (paying in Dollars, Zelle, crypto maybe but probably not, haggling from their Foreigner Pricing, etc.) - let me know which area, and when! 90% of Argies don't travel much and have sh*t customer service, so when you find a good landlord/Host, appreciate them.and don't be afraid to move your suitcase every month or 2 - there's a lot of freedom in being mobile, though some people can't handle the "stress." i found lots of places that looked good on paper, but were shady after being there a week. i was ALWAYS glad to be independent.
2. why permanent residency and citizenship? for me, i want to renounce my USA passport some day, so i'm here for political reasons (and safety from wars/nonsense/Islamism). have you read Doug Casey and James Hickman online? great resources.
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Is the New Golden Age Possible? We Do the Math. [Podcast] | Schiff Sovereign
The Wall Street Journal this morning released its latest economic forecast survey. This is where they ask leading economists what they think inflation and economic growth will be in 2025 and beyond.
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3. Immigration will need original. physical copies of a lot of pointless stuff. make sure you plan your trips perfectly, or you'll end up restarting the "clock" or paying $120 USD for DHL to send you a few pages. many things just take months to do. for instance, i bought a house in October/November a few months ago and i STILL don't have the deed 😛 we say "cosas argentinas"
4. i personally wouldn't overstay, because it's not a "crime" now, but it's still a violation of your visa. old-school people here will swear that it will never change...but it's up to your personal risk factor. i like to do everything in the "white" and have a perfect papertrail. just my style. if you're in Argentina for 90 days and you like it, just go pay the $20 USD or whatever and extend your Tourist Visa another 90 days - it takes 3 hours max, and i haven't heard of anyone getting denied. of course it's stressful not knowing if you'll be able to stay, 10 days in the future (you can't extend it until the last second, stupidly). there's a ton of info if you use the Search function here and on the old censored forum BAExpats dot org (but the owner Igor is a communist douchebag and deletes a ton of posts like a psycho).
5. i haven't had a stable address until i closed on my house in Mendoza, so if you have a friend that can let you use their mailing address, you're ahead of the game!! you can always change your address down the road - just the usual trámite bureaucracy like anywhere, to adjust it (i did mine at the Civil Registry in 2 hours, then got Immigration to change it in their system).
6. regarding your immigration lawyer, was it Delgado? most of those people have no clue, and don't actually have success stories. especially Rubilar, who is probably the biggest scammy-salesman. i asked 4 lawyers about everything from LLC, to Trust, to monthly transfers, but every single one has a different opinion. 2 lawyers once told me 2 opposite things. i'm currently 12 months into a Rentista application, and so far the Mendoza delegation has worked with me, but wants me to deposit A YEAR of 5x salaries into an Argentine bank account. so, be careful what you choose. they wanted me to do about 17k USD deposited in my Banco Nacion savings Peso account, at the official rate. and get proof apostilled, translated, accountant legalized, etc. which costs 400 bucks after all the paperwork and shipping. so let me know if you have any specific questions. and trust no one who is taking money from you 😛 Rentier stuff just is still Wild West territory, if you read these forums.
I it very common here not to receive your title deed for up to 6 months. It takes a while to come back from the government. Nothing to worry about.
Agree better to ask a friend to use their address. Here you never know if they will screw something up so if you have the same address from start to finish probably better. I used my sister in laws before we bought a place.
That was my experience when I went through the process. Wild west is correct. I talked to 4 different lawyers and all gave me different answers.
I have just been here twice. Thank you for the advice. I will go through your past posts. The locals are very stubborn. I am hesitant to pay all those months up front. I am in contact with 4RentArgentina which seems fair and their company has been around a long time. But in the end they deal with different owners which all have different terms.@Bingo how many times have you been to Argentina?? seems like big plans...there was SO much that i read online, that ended up being very untrue when i got to Buenos Aires in Nov2023.
1. i wouldn't pay a year up-front, or even consider long-term renting without a DNI number. i lived in Airbnbs if you check my past posts, for several months in 3 provinces, and i can help you find some good listings on Airbnb to negotiate with (paying in Dollars, Zelle, crypto maybe but probably not, haggling from their Foreigner Pricing, etc.) - let me know which area, and when! 90% of Argies don't travel much and have sh*t customer service, so when you find a good landlord/Host, appreciate them.and don't be afraid to move your suitcase every month or 2 - there's a lot of freedom in being mobile, though some people can't handle the "stress." i found lots of places that looked good on paper, but were shady after being there a week. i was ALWAYS glad to be independent.
2. why permanent residency and citizenship? for me, i want to renounce my USA passport some day, so i'm here for political reasons (and safety from wars/nonsense/Islamism). have you read Doug Casey and James Hickman online? great resources.
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Is the New Golden Age Possible? We Do the Math. [Podcast] | Schiff Sovereign
The Wall Street Journal this morning released its latest economic forecast survey. This is where they ask leading economists what they think inflation and economic growth will be in 2025 and beyond.
3. Immigration will need original. physical copies of a lot of pointless stuff. make sure you plan your trips perfectly, or you'll end up restarting the "clock" or paying $120 USD for DHL to send you a few pages. many things just take months to do. for instance, i bought a house in October/November a few months ago and i STILL don't have the deed 😛 we say "cosas argentinas"
4. i personally wouldn't overstay, because it's not a "crime" now, but it's still a violation of your visa. old-school people here will swear that it will never change...but it's up to your personal risk factor. i like to do everything in the "white" and have a perfect papertrail. just my style. if you're in Argentina for 90 days and you like it, just go pay the $20 USD or whatever and extend your Tourist Visa another 90 days - it takes 3 hours max, and i haven't heard of anyone getting denied. of course it's stressful not knowing if you'll be able to stay, 10 days in the future (you can't extend it until the last second, stupidly). there's a ton of info if you use the Search function here and on the old censored forum BAExpats dot org (but the owner Igor is a communist douchebag and deletes a ton of posts like a psycho).
5. i haven't had a stable address until i closed on my house in Mendoza, so if you have a friend that can let you use their mailing address, you're ahead of the game!! you can always change your address down the road - just the usual trámite bureaucracy like anywhere, to adjust it (i did mine at the Civil Registry in 2 hours, then got Immigration to change it in their system).
6. regarding your immigration lawyer, was it Delgado? most of those people have no clue, and don't actually have success stories. especially Rubilar, who is probably the biggest scammy-salesman. i asked 4 lawyers about everything from LLC, to Trust, to monthly transfers, but every single one has a different opinion. 2 lawyers once told me 2 opposite things. i'm currently 12 months into a Rentista application, and so far the Mendoza delegation has worked with me, but wants me to deposit A YEAR of 5x salaries into an Argentine bank account. so, be careful what you choose. they wanted me to do about 17k USD deposited in my Banco Nacion savings Peso account, at the official rate. and get proof apostilled, translated, accountant legalized, etc. which costs 400 bucks after all the paperwork and shipping. so let me know if you have any specific questions. and trust no one who is taking money from you 😛 Rentier stuff just is still Wild West territory, if you read these forums.
I do NOT want to move around every few months. I want to avoid that and just want to stay in the same place for a year. I will check out those links. I have heard of Doug Casey. For me I just want to find a place I can retire and afford and Argentina was recommended to me. I got in a car accident and got a lump sum settlement but it is not enough to live on in the US but I think I can manage here. I don't want to give up my citizenship. I like the US fine. I just can't afford to live there anymore!
I don't like breaking the law and was on the fence about overstaying but everyone including the lawyers tell me it is ok.
Yes that is who I was talking to. How did you know??? Are you saying Delgado is not a good option? I heard of Dr. Rubilar but I wasn't sure if his company was still active. The website looked ancient. That is problematic if lawyers are giving different advice. Isn't the law the law here?
I think I can make it work with the LLC and the guaranteed payments. I read other people that did that option. I just have to get an accountant to certify it. And apostille. All of that is a pain and costs money but I was told required.
Thank you for the information.
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