Help! I'm getting married to an Argentine and have my permanent resident interview after marriage. What evidence is needed?

[Nasdaq]

@Faith @earlyretirement You were right. I shouldn't believe it till I see it in my hand. Sure enough today my status went back to Tramite Intimado. They sent me this request: NUEVO CERTIFICADO DE ANTECEDENTES PENALES DE SU PAíS DE ORIGEN DEBIDAMENTE TRADUCIDO Y LEGALIZADO ATENTO QUE EL QUE CONSTA EN EL EXPEDIENTE NO SURGE SI POSEE O NO ANTECEDENTES PENALES EN SU PAíS.

I already gave them everything but from my understanding they don't like it because it actually doesn't say specifically if I have a criminal record or not and they told me to produce a new one. But there's no new one. This is the only format provided by my home country. I'm so frustrated. On my penales, it shows this:View attachment 1583

It says, "This is to certify that Mr. XXX is a person with no behavior endangering the peace and order or the security of the state." which means in essence I do not have a criminal record.
This was legalized by both the foreign ministry and the argentine embassy in my country and if they don't accept it, there's nothing else to offer.
Not sure what else I can do at this point.

This is crazy crazy! Just read the thread. It is like a thriller where it doesn't look good for the victim and then a happy ending only to see the victim get murdered! Not just murdered but still have a pulse.

The worst thing is there isn't much you can do. So many friends that have had similar issues. I wouldn't celebrate until you actually get it like earlyretirement mentioned. My friend said he has been waiting for some procedure for almost 500 days. I'm not sure what exactly he is doing. He already has a DNI.

Migraciones has the laziest most incompetent people working for it. I think they only do something when a lawyer tells them the law and he may sue them. Then and only then do they act.

I hope this is a story with a happy ending. Good example of how things are in Argentina.

 

[GlasgowJohn]

Yes exactly. I also had a maid that worked Monday to Friday when I lived there. Always someone home and they routinely said that they attempted to deliver a package. I have a lot of horror stories. To be honest, I don't know if it's gotten better. But the past few times I had to get official documents from the government, I did indeed get it delivered Ok. I got my kids passports and DNI renewed and it was pretty smooth.

Anything goes in this country though. You can get grey hair and very frustrated with how things work.

You saw the color of my hair earlier this week...I was jet black when i arrived 12 yeras ago..... 😎 😎 😎

 

[Avocado]

Im very sorry you have to deal with this. I embarrassed for my country things don't work so good. I cross my fingers for you. Good luck.

Yes a shame sometimes for things that happen in my country. Some thing don't work very well. This is one of them. I hope things work out @Jakoval.

 

[Faith]

@earlyretirement I have no idea what I'm going to do. Maybe I'll wait it out and keep extending my precaria till I get la carta de ciudadania because the same penales was accepted by juzgado and the tramite of my citizenship seems to be coming along pretty well. Beats me how things work in this country.

Any update? I am STILL waiting.

 

[Jakoval]

Any update? I am STILL waiting.

My precaria has been renewed for the 3rd time today till May but unfortunately the status is still the same at "TRAMITE EN PROCESO DE SUPERVISION".

 

[Faith]

My precaria has been renewed for the 3rd time today till May but unfortunately the status is still the same at "TRAMITE EN PROCESO DE SUPERVISION".

Thank you. I am getting nervous as I'm still in proceso too.

 

[Darksider415]

Slightly different for us, because my wife is getting residency under Ley 26240, and I'm deriving mine through her, but today... Migraciones decided the passport wasn't good enough and wanted her national ID card too, despite the criminal records cert having both the passport and CPF numbers on it. So, I might have sent the copy of her RG, along with a fresh copy of her Brazilian criminal records, with the passport number highlighted.

 

[Jakoval]

Slightly different for us, because my wife is getting residency under Ley 26240, and I'm deriving mine through her, but today... Migraciones decided the passport wasn't good enough and wanted her national ID card too, despite the criminal records cert having both the passport and CPF numbers on it. So, I might have sent the copy of her RG, along with a fresh copy of her Brazilian criminal records, with the passport number highlighted.

Last week I met someone who told me about his experience at migraciones which was quite fascinating. He also ran into these 'obstacles' just like the rest of us but he managed it in a different way. When migraciones told him to translate his passport into Spanish, he said, "show me the law where I have to do that" and went off on them about how Argentines are not required to translate their passports doing tramite in other countries and how the passport is a universal form of identification etc etc and talked to their supervisor till they finally accepted it and he didn't need to translate his passport. In his view, Argentina's bureaucracy is moved by the 'kicking and screaming method' and it worked. It took him 8 months with all the sassing until he got his DNI (student visa). Imagine if he just complied. It would have taken him a year like another friend of mine who did a master's here and she said it took her one year into her master's degree until she got her DNI (with help to pressure them from a local friend). I guess this is how it is.

 

[Faith]

Last week I met someone who told me about his experience at migraciones which was quite fascinating. He also ran into these 'obstacles' just like the rest of us but he managed it in a different way. When migraciones told him to translate his passport into Spanish, he said, "show me the law where I have to do that" and went off on them about how Argentines are not required to translate their passports doing tramite in other countries and how the passport is a universal form of identification etc etc and talked to their supervisor till they finally accepted it and he didn't need to translate his passport. In his view, Argentina's bureaucracy is moved by the 'kicking and screaming method' and it worked. It took him 8 months with all the sassing until he got his DNI (student visa). Imagine if he just complied. It would have taken him a year like another friend of mine who did a master's here and she said it took her one year into her master's degree until she got her DNI (with help to pressure them from a local friend). I guess this is how it is.

Wow that seems like how you accomplished things at AFIP too with the same method. I am always afraid it could also backfire and they just get angry and suddenly make my file disappear! Here you never know. Are you going to try that method?

Slightly different for us, because my wife is getting residency under Ley 26240, and I'm deriving mine through her, but today... Migraciones decided the passport wasn't good enough and wanted her national ID card too, despite the criminal records cert having both the passport and CPF numbers on it. So, I might have sent the copy of her RG, along with a fresh copy of her Brazilian criminal records, with the passport number highlighted.

This is what I am afraid of and what I hear with many people. They assume all is well and then they nit pick mundane false reasons. It always feels like some scam and they are looking for a bribe or something? I just don't get it. I talked to many people going through the same hassle.

 

[Darksider415]

This is what I am afraid of and what I hear with many people. They assume all is well and then they nit pick mundane false reasons. It always feels like some scam and they are looking for a bribe or something? I just don't get it. I talked to many people going through the same hassle.

From what I heard, it's because of the flood of Russians, and to be fair, when I had my in-person turno, I was the only person in the extra-Mercosur line who didn't have a Russian passport.

I just sent them what they asked for, and then a letter asking why they needed it, along with highlighting that the passport number was listed on her criminal record certificate and I asked for a supervisor's contact information. I don't know if I'll get it, but I figure if they keep on with this, I'll throw some pesos at an attorney to clear the path.

Absolute worst case (or if they tick me off too much), I found the new director of Migraciones on Twitter and I'm prepared to light up his inbox.

 

[MikeYoung]

I'm sorry you'll are having to deal with this. Just horrible.

From what I heard, it's because of the flood of Russians, and to be fair, when I had my in-person turno, I was the only person in the extra-Mercosur line who didn't have a Russian passport.

I just sent them what they asked for, and then a letter asking why they needed it, along with highlighting that the passport number was listed on her criminal record certificate and I asked for a supervisor's contact information. I don't know if I'll get it, but I figure if they keep on with this, I'll throw some pesos at an attorney to clear the path.

Absolute worst case (or if they tick me off too much), I found the new director of Migraciones on Twitter and I'm prepared to light up his inbox.

This sounds like the right approach. I wish someone would do a story or something in the newspaper how dreadful the process is but I think most people don't want to draw attention on themselves here in Argentina. I have found traveling around that many people never want to get in the spotlight as they can become a target.

There are even prominent people on Twitter that have huge audiences and they refuse to list their real name for fear of attention and being a target.

 

[Jakoval]

Wow that seems like how you accomplished things at AFIP too with the same method. I am always afraid it could also backfire and they just get angry and suddenly make my file disappear! Here you never know. Are you going to try that method?


This is what I am afraid of and what I hear with many people. They assume all is well and then they nit pick mundane false reasons. It always feels like some scam and they are looking for a bribe or something? I just don't get it. I talked to many people going through the same hassle.

Let's say I am not that assertive and I've done all I can. Now it's a waiting game and if they still use this delay tactic, I'll probably have to be more assertive and do the kicking and screaming method if it will yield result

 

[Larry]

Let's say I am not that assertive and I've done all I can. Now it's a waiting game and if they still use this delay tactic, I'll probably have to be more assertive and do the kicking and screaming method if it will yield result

I wonder why they make it so difficult? They have a set procedure and people are following it and providing everything they ask for. Very puzzling why they would refuse or make one get another document. But this seems like Argentina in a nut shell. Probably why the country has so many issues economically. Everything here runs like this.

 

[oil rush]

@Faith @earlyretirement You were right. I shouldn't believe it till I see it in my hand. Sure enough today my status went back to Tramite Intimado. They sent me this request: NUEVO CERTIFICADO DE ANTECEDENTES PENALES DE SU PAíS DE ORIGEN DEBIDAMENTE TRADUCIDO Y LEGALIZADO ATENTO QUE EL QUE CONSTA EN EL EXPEDIENTE NO SURGE SI POSEE O NO ANTECEDENTES PENALES EN SU PAíS.

I already gave them everything but from my understanding they don't like it because it actually doesn't say specifically if I have a criminal record or not and they told me to produce a new one. But there's no new one. This is the only format provided by my home country. I'm so frustrated. On my penales, it shows this:View attachment 1583

It says, "This is to certify that Mr. XXX is a person with no behavior endangering the peace and order or the security of the state." which means in essence I do not have a criminal record.
This was legalized by both the foreign ministry and the argentine embassy in my country and if they don't accept it, there's nothing else to offer.
Not sure what else I can do at this point.

This is the reason Argentina is so crazy paranoid about foreigners possibly having a criminal background. She said that Argentina never wants to be embarrassed about criminals taking residency in Argentina to escape their own countries. A great read.

The Secret Story of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid’s Last Tango

For six years they managed to elude the most powerful detectives on the planet and outrun their past across the wilds of South America.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Jakoval]

Wow that seems like how you accomplished things at AFIP too with the same method. I am always afraid it could also backfire and they just get angry and suddenly make my file disappear! Here you never know. Are you going to try that method?


This is what I am afraid of and what I hear with many people. They assume all is well and then they nit pick mundane false reasons. It always feels like some scam and they are looking for a bribe or something? I just don't get it. I talked to many people going through the same hassle.

Finally. This time is for real as it's 'resulto' and La Disposicion has been issued!

 

[Billy Goat]

Congrats!

 

[earlyretirement]

Finally. This time is for real as it's 'resulto' and La Disposicion has been issued!

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Congrats! I will break out the champagne once you have it in your hands. Next time I am in town, let's meet up to celebrate!

 

[Faith]

Finally. This time is for real as it's 'resulto' and La Disposicion has been issued!

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Mine also finalized as well! Woo hoo!

 

[Jakoval]

Bueno, señoras y señores. You are looking at the newest permanent resident with the plastic in his hand. I finally received the DNI card this morning.

Here is the timeline from the beginning until the end. I hope the information is useful for those whose cases are still pending.

02/08/2023 - I got married.
03/08/2023 - My expediente was registered into the system. From this point on, I made about 4-5 trips to migraciones to submit additional documents and also to find out why things were not moving along etc etc. Precaria was renewed 3 times.
28/12/2023 - Interview at migraciones office.
09/02/2024 - When the expediente was finally resolved.
19/03/2024 - When Correo Argentino physically delivered the plastic to me at home.

 

[earlyretirement]

Bueno, señoras y señores. You are looking at the newest permanent resident with the plastic in his hand. I finally received the DNI card this morning.

Here is the timeline from the beginning until the end. I hope the information is useful for those whose cases are still pending.

02/08/2023 - I got married.
03/08/2023 - My expediente was registered into the system. From this point on, I made about 4-5 trips to migraciones to submit additional documents and also to find out why things were not moving along etc etc. Precaria was renewed 3 times.
28/12/2023 - Interview at migraciones office.
09/02/2024 - When the expediente was finally resolved.
19/03/2024 - When Correo Argentino physically delivered the plastic to me at home.

That is wonderful @Jakoval! A HUGE congrats! Persistence pays off. I really admire all of you that did it yourselves without a lawyer. When I did mine so many years ago I simply didn't have the time or patience to do it myself so I hired a lawyer to handle it. But I think all of this sharing of information will help future people that try to do it themselves.

I will be in town in a few months and we'll have to break bread to celebrate. Congrats!