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Well Trump is going to learn what Milei already knows. Tariffs do not work and all these new tariffs Trump is planning are going to cause prices of cars to jump up for Americans. Americans are going to feel what Argentines go through.
 
Looks like Milei is going back to beg for more money. The entire thing seems desperate because the only thing you hear every single day is the IMF stuff. It's like nothing else matters if they don't get that cash and quickly. Maybe that is a sign things aren't so smooth in Argyland.

I like Argentina and the people here. But the biggest issue I have is that Argentinians are crazy enough to believe that in one year they have fixed things and convinced some people that they can have an exchange rate that makes their currency as strong as a country with 10 X more productivity. They are not being realistic. So either the government devalues their currency on their own or the market will do it naturally.

How way a Big Mac in BA should be more than anywhere else in the world. Just wrong.
 
well anyone here who voted for the Uniparty (communist Trump or communist Harris) should enjoy the economic crash and destruction of a massively higher cost of living for we USA peasants for the foreseeable future:



we could have had a Milei liberty candidate, but because he happens to be gay (Chase Oliver, a patriot), a lot of people ignored him. sad. i really wish i didn't have to live through a time where the USA feels the effects of Peronism/populism/totalitarian protectionism/mercantilism/communism, but such is life. glad i've moved most of my life out of the USA to Argentina already. such a disappointment today
 
well anyone here who voted for the Uniparty (communist Trump or communist Harris) should enjoy the economic crash and destruction of a massively higher cost of living for we USA peasants for the foreseeable future:



we could have had a Milei liberty candidate, but because he happens to be gay (Chase Oliver, a patriot), a lot of people ignored him. sad. i really wish i didn't have to live through a time where the USA feels the effects of Peronism/populism/totalitarian protectionism/mercantilism/communism, but such is life. glad i've moved most of my life out of the USA to Argentina already. such a disappointment today

Both were terrible options! Harris probably worse. But who knew that Trump would hurt the middle class so much. Things are going to get so expensive for middle class Americans. Inflation will be terrible! Ironic that Milei is pushing against protectionism and Trump is pushing for it. Just goes to prove they aren't the besties that they portray.

Prices are going to skyrocket!
 
well anyone here who voted for the Uniparty (communist Trump or communist Harris) should enjoy the economic crash and destruction of a massively higher cost of living for we USA peasants for the foreseeable future:



we could have had a Milei liberty candidate, but because he happens to be gay (Chase Oliver, a patriot), a lot of people ignored him. sad. i really wish i didn't have to live through a time where the USA feels the effects of Peronism/populism/totalitarian protectionism/mercantilism/communism, but such is life. glad i've moved most of my life out of the USA to Argentina already. such a disappointment today

I voted for Trump but I did not account for him intentionally crashing the stock market. I don't think he cares. A few weeks ago I had my financial advisor cash out of most of my portfolio. I will wait until all of this crashes and buy back. I have never tried to time the market but these tariffs are nuts!
 
we could have had a Milei liberty candidate, but because he happens to be gay (Chase Oliver, a patriot), a lot of people ignored him. sad. i really wish i didn't have to live through a time where the USA feels the effects of Peronism/populism/totalitarian protectionism/mercantilism/communism, but such is life. glad i've moved most of my life out of the USA to Argentina already. such a disappointment today
Oliver did not have a shot. Really no independent does. 9/10 Americans don't even know who Chase Oliver is. Maybe Trump's strategy will pay off in the long run but all of this takes many years to build up. Not going to happen overnight so going to be painful next few years.
 
well anyone here who voted for the Uniparty (communist Trump or communist Harris) should enjoy the economic crash and destruction of a massively higher cost of living for we USA peasants for the foreseeable future:



we could have had a Milei liberty candidate, but because he happens to be gay (Chase Oliver, a patriot), a lot of people ignored him. sad. i really wish i didn't have to live through a time where the USA feels the effects of Peronism/populism/totalitarian protectionism/mercantilism/communism, but such is life. glad i've moved most of my life out of the USA to Argentina already. such a disappointment today

But if you had to vote for only Trump or Harris who would you have voted for @StatusNomadicus if you HAD to vote for one of them? Terrible terrible choices this year but Harris/Biden were just terrible.
 
middle class Americans
and also the bottom 5% of people will no longer have access to cheap goods (Wal-Mart and necessities from China).
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Grok says,
Thomas Sowell:
"Tariffs are taxes on imports which serve to raise the prices of those imports, adding that tariffs lead to higher prices from domestic producers as well."
(Paraphrased from his discussions on trade in Basic Economics and articles like those referenced in the Orange County Register, 2025.)
  • Sowell emphasizes that tariffs act as a regressive tax, hitting the poorest consumers—like the lowest 5%—hardest by increasing the cost of goods they depend on, while also reducing competition that could keep prices low.
Ron Paul:
"Tariffs are taxes, plain and simple. They raise the cost of goods for consumers, and the poorest among us suffer the most from these price increases."
(Adapted from his consistent stance in speeches and writings, such as The Revolution: A Manifesto, where he critiques government intervention in trade.)
  • Paul underscores that tariffs disproportionately burden the poor, including the bottom 5%, by shrinking their purchasing power, a key concern for those with limited income.
Milton Friedman:
"We call a tariff a protective measure. It does protect; it protects the consumer very well against one thing. It protects the consumer against low prices."
(From a lecture quoted in the Orange County Register, 2025.)
  • Friedman’s sardonic take reveals how tariffs harm consumers, especially the poorest 5%, by denying them access to cheaper goods, effectively taxing their limited resources more heavily than those of the wealthy."
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you're wise; many people are about to get wrecked. my dad lost half his wealth in 2008 and he still trusts the system, and hasn't taken any profits the past year with record highs. sad.

if you HAD to vote for one of them?
but i don't. so i didn't. i'm a Libertarian and anti-Federal-gov't person, who wants States' rights...i'm not a |Republican-Lite 🙂 the propaganda that keeps people from voting for a third-party candidate, like Wally mentioned, is why we have a tyrannical federal government that expands every year. i played the Trump game in 2020 and didn't have a good time, so there was a 0% chance i'd vote for Netanyahu-first warmonger Trump, a lifelong Democrat New Yorker communist

Maybe Trump's strategy will pay off in the long run
but you know Protectionism and Mercantilism and 'trade deficits' are all Keynesianism hogwash, and have wrecked every country from Venezuela to the EU to Argentina for decades. it's just an expanding of federal government, taking power away from the States when we could have had a true Golden Era of decentralization. and now Democrats will win mid-terms and 2028m and they'll implement all the same tyranny, spending, warfare, and welfare...rinse, repeat, recycle, Uniparty and war and debt always win

more Grok quotes
----------------------------
Ludwig von Mises:
"The philosophy of protectionism is a philosophy of war. The wars of our age are not at variance with the popular economic doctrines; they are, on the contrary, the inescapable result of a consistent application of mercantilism."
(Human Action, p. 683)
  • Mises ties mercantilism to conflict and inefficiency, suggesting that its tariffs and trade restrictions reduce global wealth, hitting the poor—like the lowest 5%—hardest by raising costs and limiting access to affordable goods.
Murray Rothbard:
"Mercantilism, which reached its height in the Europe of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, was a system of statism which employed economic fallacy to build up a structure of imperial state power, as well as special subsidy and monopolistic privilege to favored producers."
(Conceived in Liberty, Volume 1)
  • Rothbard critiques mercantilism as a statist scam that enriches elites while burdening consumers, particularly the poor, with higher prices and fewer choices—implicitly crushing the bottom 5% under monopolistic inefficiencies.
Thomas Sowell:
"The mercantilists thought that a country was enriched by having a ‘favorable’ balance of trade—more exports than imports. But every country cannot have a favorable balance of trade, any more than every country can be above average."
(Basic Economics, discussing historical trade fallacies)
  • Sowell dismantles mercantilism’s zero-sum logic, showing how its protectionist policies inflate prices and stifle competition, disproportionately harming the poorest 5% who rely on low-cost imports.
Ron Paul:
"Mercantilism is nothing but a failed economic theory that enriches the politically connected at the expense of the average citizen, driving up costs and stifling freedom."
(Adapted from his broader critiques of interventionism, such as in End the Fed and public statements.)
  • Paul frames mercantilism as a system that screws over regular people—especially the poor, like the bottom 5%—by jacking up prices through tariffs and favoring cronies over consumers.
Milton Friedman:
"The mercantilist idea that a country grows rich by exporting more than it imports is nonsense. It’s like saying you get rich by selling more to your neighbors than you buy from them—ignoring that trade benefits both sides."
(Paraphrased from lectures and writings, such as Free to Choose)
  • Friedman skewers mercantilism’s obsession with trade surpluses, arguing that its tariffs and controls hurt consumers—most acutely the poorest 5%—by blocking access to cheaper goods and shrinking their real income.
 
you're wise; many people are about to get wrecked. my dad lost half his wealth in 2008 and he still trusts the system, and hasn't taken any profits the past year with record highs. sad.
That is crazy. But I guess if he kept it all in he is up big time. Over the long period the stock market will go back up. But it could crash hard. I cashed out of lots of my stocks when I moved to Spain last year and glad I did.
 
and also the bottom 5% of people will no longer have access to cheap goods (Wal-Mart and necessities from China).
------------------------
Grok says,
Thomas Sowell:
"Tariffs are taxes on imports which serve to raise the prices of those imports, adding that tariffs lead to higher prices from domestic producers as well."
(Paraphrased from his discussions on trade in Basic Economics and articles like those referenced in the Orange County Register, 2025.)
  • Sowell emphasizes that tariffs act as a regressive tax, hitting the poorest consumers—like the lowest 5%—hardest by increasing the cost of goods they depend on, while also reducing competition that could keep prices low.
Ron Paul:
"Tariffs are taxes, plain and simple. They raise the cost of goods for consumers, and the poorest among us suffer the most from these price increases."
(Adapted from his consistent stance in speeches and writings, such as The Revolution: A Manifesto, where he critiques government intervention in trade.)
  • Paul underscores that tariffs disproportionately burden the poor, including the bottom 5%, by shrinking their purchasing power, a key concern for those with limited income.
Milton Friedman:
"We call a tariff a protective measure. It does protect; it protects the consumer very well against one thing. It protects the consumer against low prices."
(From a lecture quoted in the Orange County Register, 2025.)
  • Friedman’s sardonic take reveals how tariffs harm consumers, especially the poorest 5%, by denying them access to cheaper goods, effectively taxing their limited resources more heavily than those of the wealthy."
------------------------


you're wise; many people are about to get wrecked. my dad lost half his wealth in 2008 and he still trusts the system, and hasn't taken any profits the past year with record highs. sad.


but i don't. so i didn't. i'm a Libertarian and anti-Federal-gov't person, who wants States' rights...i'm not a |Republican-Lite 🙂 the propaganda that keeps people from voting for a third-party candidate, like Wally mentioned, is why we have a tyrannical federal government that expands every year. i played the Trump game in 2020 and didn't have a good time, so there was a 0% chance i'd vote for Netanyahu-first warmonger Trump, a lifelong Democrat New Yorker communist


but you know Protectionism and Mercantilism and 'trade deficits' are all Keynesianism hogwash, and have wrecked every country from Venezuela to the EU to Argentina for decades. it's just an expanding of federal government, taking power away from the States when we could have had a true Golden Era of decentralization. and now Democrats will win mid-terms and 2028m and they'll implement all the same tyranny, spending, warfare, and welfare...rinse, repeat, recycle, Uniparty and war and debt always win

more Grok quotes
----------------------------
Ludwig von Mises:
"The philosophy of protectionism is a philosophy of war. The wars of our age are not at variance with the popular economic doctrines; they are, on the contrary, the inescapable result of a consistent application of mercantilism."
(Human Action, p. 683)
  • Mises ties mercantilism to conflict and inefficiency, suggesting that its tariffs and trade restrictions reduce global wealth, hitting the poor—like the lowest 5%—hardest by raising costs and limiting access to affordable goods.
Murray Rothbard:
"Mercantilism, which reached its height in the Europe of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, was a system of statism which employed economic fallacy to build up a structure of imperial state power, as well as special subsidy and monopolistic privilege to favored producers."
(Conceived in Liberty, Volume 1)
  • Rothbard critiques mercantilism as a statist scam that enriches elites while burdening consumers, particularly the poor, with higher prices and fewer choices—implicitly crushing the bottom 5% under monopolistic inefficiencies.
Thomas Sowell:
"The mercantilists thought that a country was enriched by having a ‘favorable’ balance of trade—more exports than imports. But every country cannot have a favorable balance of trade, any more than every country can be above average."
(Basic Economics, discussing historical trade fallacies)
  • Sowell dismantles mercantilism’s zero-sum logic, showing how its protectionist policies inflate prices and stifle competition, disproportionately harming the poorest 5% who rely on low-cost imports.
Ron Paul:
"Mercantilism is nothing but a failed economic theory that enriches the politically connected at the expense of the average citizen, driving up costs and stifling freedom."
(Adapted from his broader critiques of interventionism, such as in End the Fed and public statements.)
  • Paul frames mercantilism as a system that screws over regular people—especially the poor, like the bottom 5%—by jacking up prices through tariffs and favoring cronies over consumers.
Milton Friedman:
"The mercantilist idea that a country grows rich by exporting more than it imports is nonsense. It’s like saying you get rich by selling more to your neighbors than you buy from them—ignoring that trade benefits both sides."
(Paraphrased from lectures and writings, such as Free to Choose)
  • Friedman skewers mercantilism’s obsession with trade surpluses, arguing that its tariffs and controls hurt consumers—most acutely the poorest 5%—by blocking access to cheaper goods and shrinking their real income.
Tariffs are terrible! Just look at Argentina as an example how broken things are here with all the tariffs. Everything too expensive!

I thought you Americans voted for Trump because inflation was too high. I do not think this strategy will work. My daughter lives in US and everyone is complaining about Trump. I do not know how many people have stocks but my daughter said her family already is down tremendously since Trump started. If it is anything like Argentina, all the Americans will pay the price.
 
Over the long period
sure, but when you see this (attached Nasdaq), you can take some profits like Warren Buffet and buy back in after the correction


can do both long-term investing as well as take profits, even 50% if you're greedy about the top - these aren't mutually exclusive. i've tried explaining blockchain tech to my parents over the years....they, like 95% of people, won't be interested until it's already ubiquitous

and for those who enjoy reading the SovereignMan blog, this was a great read about Trump's cuckery:
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"China: I see your trade war and raise you a cyberwar
by James Hickman
on April 3, 2025
It was sometime in the spring of 323 BC when Alexander the Great– the “King of the World”– passed through the gates of ancient Babylon for the last time.
He had already conquered the city nearly a decade before. But his men were worn out from fighting in India and Persia, and Babylon was a secure place to give his army a much-needed rest.
They remained there for a few months, until, quite suddenly, Alexander became extremely ill on either the 10th or 11th of June and then died.
The cause of his death is unknown. Some say he was poisoned. Others blame malaria, typhoid fever, or complications from his battle wounds.

What is certain, however, is that he left behind no legitimate male heir, as his wife was still pregnant at the time of his death. So almost immediately a power struggle broke out as to who would succeed him.
Macedonian tradition at the time dictated that whoever buried Alexander’s body would be the rightful claimant to his empire.
Well, Alexander’s dying wish was to be buried at an oasis in North Africa– more than 1,000 miles away. So you can just imagine the nearly year-long cat-and-mouse game where all of these generals and nobles vying for the throne continually tried to steal Alexander’s corpse from one another.
There were assassinations, sabotage, secret missions, and more, not to mention full-blown warfare among the various factions which ultimately lasted for decades– ironically far longer than Alexander reigned.

In the end, Alexander’s empire broke apart. And one of the victors– a former general and bodyguard, named Ptolemy– ended up taking over Egypt and established a ruling dynasty that lasted for centuries.
Their economic system in the ancient Ptolemaic Kingdom was essentially what we would today call “national capitalism”.
The bureaucracy was massive. Absolutely massive. Onerous regulations controlled commerce and trade. Nothing was produced that wasn’t in the government’s interest. Caravan routes and waterways were owned by the state, and their use was heavily taxed.
There were taxes on salt, stamp duties on legal documents, taxes on inheritance, and a sales tax of 10%. Plus, the tax on income reached as high as 50%.
Then there were the tariffs.

The Ptolemaic Kingdom possessed some of the finest technology in the world at that time; their fields were the most productive, and their manufactured goods were among the highest quality on the planet. So, their exports were vast and lucrative… and they traded with markets as far away as China.
Yet even though Ptolemaic Egypt’s productive technology gave them many competitive advantages over other kingdoms, the state decided at a certain point that it needed to ‘protect’ its domestic industries. So, they imposed heavy tariffs.
The results were rather predictable. Without the benefit of low-cost imports, prices rose significantly. Greek olive oil, which cost just 21 drachmas in Athens, sold for 52 drachmas in Egypt. Trade dried up, hurting both the domestic and foreign economies alike.
Trade disputes soon festered into trade wars, which quickly became actual wars. The loss of blood and treasure mounted, while rivals (like Carthage, and eventually Rome) became stronger.

This is the basic principle behind ‘mercantilism’, i.e. the prevailing zero-sum economic philosophy that dominated the world for thousands of years. It’s based on the idea that, in order for me to win, you have to lose. I become wealthier by taking from you.
Adam Smith finally codified why this way of thinking was stupid when he published An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations in the year 1776. Smith, the father of capitalism, realized that wealth and abundance were infinite, and that trade was not a zero-sum game. Both sides could become better off.
Yesterday– supposedly ‘Liberation Day’– constituted a gigantic step backward from capitalism… back to the zero-sum mentality of mercantilism.
I’ve written before that, yes, America has very legitimate gripes with respect to some of its foreign trading partners.
But it seems naive that these can be solved with across-the-board tariffs on essentially the entire planet.

If Apple doesn’t want to sell iPhones in China, they can choose to do that on their own. It seems silly to make hundreds of millions of Americans pay higher prices for imported goods to ‘avenge’ Apple’s lost profitability from Chinese import duties.
There are so many things wrong with this policy… and very few ways in which it could go right.
In order for tariffs to be a win, the rest of the world would just need to take it in the teeth. No other nation could impose retaliatory tariffs. Foreign businesses would need to cut their prices, and foreign central banks would need to devalue their currencies.
US consumers would need to be very forgiving and buy the narrative that the price inflation due to tariffs is “transitory”, and that domestic production will soon bring prices back down.
Most importantly, US businesses will need to immediately begin building new factories in America and ramp up domestic manufacturing.

But this is far easier said than done. New factories will require a host of state and local permits, and that bureaucracy could bog down industrial construction for years.
Not to mention that many building materials for all of these new factories will need to be imported. There are exemptions in the tariffs for copper, lumber, and steel, but other imported construction materials will be 10% to 50% more expensive now.
In short, building all of these factories will take a great deal of time and be lot more expensive. Consumers will be expected to pay the price in the meantime.
One of the biggest questions, of course, is what happens next.

History tells us that trade disputes often escalate into larger conflicts. And is anyone naive enough to think that the Chinese will simply bow obsequiously?
Perhaps they’ll use their army of hackers to take down parts of the US power grid and launch a mini cyberwar. Or perhaps they’ll cease exporting critical rare earth metals to the US– so kiss your iPhone goodbye.
We also could easily see a number of countries (including in Europe) retaliate by canceling visa-free travel for US citizens… and several countries start pulling their funds out of the United States– either in retaliation or out of fear.
This might even lead to the US imposing capital controls in order to stop foreigners from moving their money out.
Bottom line, it could get very messy, very quickly.

James Hickman (aka Simon Black) is an international investor, entrepreneur, and founder of Sovereign Man. His free daily e-letter Notes from the Field is about using the experiences from his life and travels to help you achieve more freedom, make more money, keep more of it, and protect it all from bankrupt governments."
 

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