You shouldn't have issues at Western Union I wouldn't think unless something is new. I don't know how they would know how long you stayed here. But you are right the supermarket lately is asking for passport. You shouldn't have issues in USA.
OK I will cross my fingers about re-entry.
update for those on 90-day tourist visas like me:
Yikes! Why not just do a visit to Uruguay if this is your situation. I think when most people say to avoid Uruguay it's for people living here for years doing it over and over. If I recall you mentioned this is your first visit to Argentina. Just do a quick trip to Colonia. I think you can go with your dog? I'm not sure but it's an easy trip and if you can't take the chance, just do a day trip and reset your clock. The border run avoidance is for people doing it for years not for people like you on your first trip.
I COMPLETELY and 100% agree with @Betsy Ross and @MickMolloy. All correct advice. No reason to not go to Uruguay for the day. Very cheap and very easy to do. There is NO way that you will have issues with this your first time. Or probably even your 2nd or 3rd time either. I have been visiting and living and working in Argentina for 21+ years. I've literally had well over 500 clients during that time. Many of them perma-tourists and I've only heard of 2 times of people that I personally knew that had issues. I have read other things from people that I didn't personally know but even in those cases those people were clearly living in Argentina many years.
many people are saying the border-crossing is now being scrutinized. it is definitely circumventing Immigrations, regardless if it's been tacitly allowed in the past. and no, i don't know if it's possible with a dog (i heard it is if you have a car), so i wouldn't try it without knowing for sure.
so silly to punish people for being squared-away. and i'm less likely to spend money on he next Airbnb, tours, etc. if i don't even know if i can stay in the country in 10 days! this is a serious downside to Buenos Aires. thanks for this info! i was going to waste my time today, since i'm picking-up my new passport nearby anyway. Immigrations has been wholly unhelpful online.
but that's the thing; before 2024, i wouldn't hesitate to trust this. but the premise of these threads is that people are giving real-world experiences about being turned back. what if i go to the ferry, go to Uruguay, then try to come back in and the border guards say "Migraciones won't le us re-stamp you, because you should have extended your visa at their office in BsAs" - are you guys on this forum going to help me cross illegally so i can get back with my gf and dog?
there's just too much risk, since i'm the main Spanish-speaker. here are all the sources of the no-border-or-ferry-crossings-anymore concern:
But isn’t overstaying illegal too? If there is a fine I’m sure it is. Truth is sure anything could happen. But I think you’re splitting hairs saying it’s not illegal to overstay. That seems more illegal to me than simply visiting another country on your “vacation” of South America.many people are saying the border-crossing is now being scrutinized. it is definitely circumventing Immigrations, regardless if it's been tacitly allowed in the past. and no, i don't know if it's possible with a dog (i heard it is if you have a car), so i wouldn't try it without knowing for sure.
so silly to punish people for being squared-away. and i'm less likely to spend money on he next Airbnb, tours, etc. if i don't even know if i can stay in the country in 10 days! this is a serious downside to Buenos Aires. thanks for this info! i was going to waste my time today, since i'm picking-up my new passport nearby anyway. Immigrations has been wholly unhelpful online.
but that's the thing; before 2024, i wouldn't hesitate to trust this. but the premise of these threads is that people are giving real-world experiences about being turned back. what if i go to the ferry, go to Uruguay, then try to come back in and the border guards say "Migraciones won't le us re-stamp you, because you should have extended your visa at their office in BsAs" - are you guys on this forum going to help me cross illegally so i can get back with my gf and dog?
1. @VINO's experience with their friend in 2023 (not sure on how many times until it was blocked).
2. @overstayed's conversation with Immigration about possibly needing to leave Argentina soon (not sure the outcome or cause of this).
3. @Soytoy's story of someone who did border runs for years, getting denied.
4. @naked's denial when they had to change plans embarrassingly a few years ago.
5. @Nasdaq's friend who might be banned from Argentina for years.
6. @former expat's experience in the past of getting denied after 8 years of runs.
7. @Rick's three-strike rule he was told.
8. @Cardiac Arrest getting flagged in the system and warned on the 2nd time, after overstaying a year.
9. @illegal alien's concern of not getting back in (not sure if there was ever a denial).
10. 18Dec2023 posting on the old forum by @Bajo_cero2 "Visa runs are illegal according to decreto 616/2010. It is called abuse of tourist visa and allow them to reject you at the border. It is better to overstay, then you become an inhabitant protected by the National Constitution."
11. @miguel741's question on the old forum "There is a lot of theoretical posts on here saying 'forget going to colonial, forget renewing, just overstay as long as you want and nothing bad will ever happen to you' - Has anyone actually done this or is it all just talk ?" (i believe you guys here are giving bad advice to do border runs).
everyone who is saying 'don't worry about it, it's always worked, and no one will get deported' is just speculating. the rules are changing, there is a new presidency, and things are biometric now. so, no one knows how it will work, or what algorithm will flag them, or how that Migraciones supervisor will feel subjectively about your case. this isn't to fear-monger, it's to collect info and make a plan for people wanting to come here, but who don't get approved for 1-year temporary Visas.
anyone who has actual experience, please post! i can't do the 10-day window until a month from now, sorry.
many people are saying the border-crossing is now being scrutinized. it is definitely circumventing Immigrations, regardless if it's been tacitly allowed in the past. and no, i don't know if it's possible with a dog (i heard it is if you have a car), so i wouldn't try it without knowing for sure.
so silly to punish people for being squared-away. and i'm less likely to spend money on he next Airbnb, tours, etc. if i don't even know if i can stay in the country in 10 days! this is a serious downside to Buenos Aires. thanks for this info! i was going to waste my time today, since i'm picking-up my new passport nearby anyway. Immigrations has been wholly unhelpful online.
but that's the thing; before 2024, i wouldn't hesitate to trust this. but the premise of these threads is that people are giving real-world experiences about being turned back. what if i go to the ferry, go to Uruguay, then try to come back in and the border guards say "Migraciones won't le us re-stamp you, because you should have extended your visa at their office in BsAs" - are you guys on this forum going to help me cross illegally so i can get back with my gf and dog?
1. @VINO's experience with their friend in 2023 (not sure on how many times until it was blocked).
2. @overstayed's conversation with Immigration about possibly needing to leave Argentina soon (not sure the outcome or cause of this).
3. @Soytoy's story of someone who did border runs for years, getting denied.
4. @naked's denial when they had to change plans embarrassingly a few years ago.
5. @Nasdaq's friend who might be banned from Argentina for years.
6. @former expat's experience in the past of getting denied after 8 years of runs.
7. @Rick's three-strike rule he was told.
8. @Cardiac Arrest getting flagged in the system and warned on the 2nd time, after overstaying a year.
9. @illegal alien's concern of not getting back in (not sure if there was ever a denial).
10. 18Dec2023 posting on the old forum by @Bajo_cero2 "Visa runs are illegal according to decreto 616/2010. It is called abuse of tourist visa and allow them to reject you at the border. It is better to overstay, then you become an inhabitant protected by the National Constitution."
11. @miguel741's question on the old forum "There is a lot of theoretical posts on here saying 'forget going to colonial, forget renewing, just overstay as long as you want and nothing bad will ever happen to you' - Has anyone actually done this or is it all just talk ?" (i believe you guys here are giving bad advice to do border runs).
everyone who is saying 'don't worry about it, it's always worked, and no one will get deported' is just speculating. the rules are changing, there is a new presidency, and things are biometric now. so, no one knows how it will work, or what algorithm will flag them, or how that Migraciones supervisor will feel subjectively about your case. this isn't to fear-monger, it's to collect info and make a plan for people wanting to come here, but who don't get approved for 1-year temporary Visas.
anyone who has actual experience, please post! i can't do the 10-day window until a month from now, sorry.
Listen to yourself. You are trying to say overstay in my country not illegal. They make law for reason. If they have law you only stay maximum 90 day at a time it a LAW. Do you know how law work?! You break law if you overstay. That illegal. Maybe border run over and over also illegal but both not good and not legal.many people are saying the border-crossing is now being scrutinized. it is definitely circumventing Immigrations, regardless if it's been tacitly allowed in the past. and no, i don't know if it's possible with a dog (i heard it is if you have a car), so i wouldn't try it without knowing for sure.
so silly to punish people for being squared-away. and i'm less likely to spend money on he next Airbnb, tours, etc. if i don't even know if i can stay in the country in 10 days! this is a serious downside to Buenos Aires. thanks for this info! i was going to waste my time today, since i'm picking-up my new passport nearby anyway. Immigrations has been wholly unhelpful online.
but that's the thing; before 2024, i wouldn't hesitate to trust this. but the premise of these threads is that people are giving real-world experiences about being turned back. what if i go to the ferry, go to Uruguay, then try to come back in and the border guards say "Migraciones won't le us re-stamp you, because you should have extended your visa at their office in BsAs" - are you guys on this forum going to help me cross illegally so i can get back with my gf and dog?
everyone who is saying 'don't worry about it, it's always worked, and no one will get deported' is just speculating. the rules are changing, there is a new presidency, and things are biometric now. so, no one knows how it will work, or what algorithm will flag them, or how that Migraciones supervisor will feel subjectively about your case. this isn't to fear-monger, it's to collect info and make a plan for people wanting to come here, but who don't get approved for 1-year temporary Visas.
anyone who has actual experience, please post! i can't do the 10-day window until a month from now, sorry.
Yes this so true. All the Porteños love dogs. All bring to Punta del Este in December and January. It very bad Buquebus not control all the dogs. It very bad for the people allergic to dogs. Many owners not polite and watch the dogs.
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Great link! Thanks for sharing. Yeah I think if there is a fine then you're breaking the law staying over the maximum. I don't think visiting Uruguay on your first visit is illegal.I just do the border runs to Uruguay and never had any issues.
There is some great information on this website.
Extending A Tourist Visa In Argentina
Visitors to Argentina are granted a 90 day tourist visa on arrival. Here's the the process and price to get an Argentina visa extension.
not according to Federal Lawyer, Christian Rubilar (he is @Bajo_cero2 on the old forum). https://w3.cpacf.org.ar/guiaabo2/Gu... &estado=Activo&celular=NO INFORMA
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i would agree if lawyer Rubilar wasn't so certain, and if people weren't getting denied re-entry like the many stories mentioned on this forum! it sounds like a weird law, but par for the course for Argentina i suppose (to be confusing)
was this Colonia Express?
again, people need to stop repeating what has worked in the past, when in this exact thread i listed 10 examples of how people get denied doing "border runs"
"think" but what happens when you get pulled aside and they ask you why you're skirting immigration law with a 90-day visa?
not according to Federal Lawyer, Christian Rubilar (he is @Bajo_cero2 on the old forum). https://w3.cpacf.org.ar/guiaabo2/GuiaAboDetalle.aspx?tomo=97 - 620&nom=RUBILAR PANASIUK CHRISTIAN DEMIAN&dom=LAVALLE 1282 4° "1"-1124&tel=- &fecha=21/11/2007&mail=rubilar.abogados@gmail.com &estado=Activo&celular=NO INFORMA
"this is why I always advice to overstay and pay the visa when you leave for good because in that case you are an inhabitant with full civil rights under civil Courts." https://www.rubilarcitizenship.com/citizenship
Decree 616/2010 according to Rubilar. https://baexpats.org/threads/anyone...atyed-their-visa-for-years.46606/#post-441705
Rentista Residency - Argentina Citizenship
Thanks for the reply but as per the Argentina citizenship roles one of the requirements when applying is to prove that Have 2 years of uninterrupted and documented residence in the country, certified by the National Directorate of Migrations (See attached) Can you explain more about how I can...
Extension of stay and visa rounds
I am new in Buenos Aires and I am on a tourist visa (soft. developer with remote options). I would like to stay more. I do not want to go through the "Student Visa" option and what I would like to ask is, what if I stay 3 months and extend for 3 months and then exit and enter again; 1) Is it...
i would agree if lawyer Rubilar wasn't so certain, and if people weren't getting denied re-entry like the many stories mentioned on this forum! it sounds like a weird law, but par for the course for Argentina i suppose (to be confusing)
was this Colonia Express?
again, people need to stop repeating what has worked in the past, when in this exact thread i listed 10 examples of how people get denied doing "border runs"
just because it worked in the past, doesn't mean sidestepping the law isn't illegal now. that's the point of this thread! @Katherina
"think" but what happens when you get pulled aside and they ask you why you're skirting immigration law with a 90-day visa?
"Before you could just live here doing visa runs every 6 months but from what I've heard border control are starting to crack down on it and it's a lottery depending on who is checking your passport as you come back to Argentina."
lawyer: "Border runs are not a guarantee" https://baexpats.org/threads/overstaying-tourist-visa-for-1-2-years.45604/page-2
I totally agree with you. It's very small and it's a "1 and done" type of place for me. I also find it really boring.
i moved to the Midwest during COVID lockdowns to get out of the big city and drama, so Colonia sounds nice! i'm looking forward to rural Cordoba or Patagonia for eventually doing some small-scale aquaponics and agriculture, so obviously my priorities aren't for exciting cities; i can always fly to a big city like BsAs or Prague or CDMX and see the action.
de repente veo tu respuesta. es tan increible que eres tan estupido, cada dia. yo soy la unica persona aqui que esta diciendo que quiero seguir la ley, pero estas gritando a yo?? cada persona en este sitio ha dicho que yo debo usar la frontera de Uruguay, cada 90 dias, para evitar residencia temporal. como te explique, el abogado Rubilar para mucho tiempo ha explicado que es contra la ley ir a Uruguay cada 3 meses. "Abuse of the tourist visa in Argentina has been defined by Bajo_Cero2 as a fraud and it is illegal." https://baexpats.org/threads/family...anning-to-stay-a-couple-of-years.45199/page-2
