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Help! My tourist extension visa was denied today
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IrishLad
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With Argentina improving its economy and the general problems with immigration in Europe and also USA I think you are going to see a tougher stance in the future. It probably won't happen for a while. Because of Mercosur and how easy it is for much of South America to come and legally work and live here, I'm not sure it makes sense to many to overly control tourists that overstay from the States or Europe. But if we see big problems with poorer migrants coming here then we can probably see it changing quickly.
With all the people from South America here and how easy they make it for them I wish they would make it easier for people from wealthier countries. I'm not sure how many of these South Americans are paying taxes in Argentina, but I think you will find many Americans would be willing to pay some taxes or fees to be here legally. Americans are a very small % of the foreigners in CABA.
Finance Prof
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Thanks for sharing that. I hadn't realized foreigners made up so big a % of CABA.
Nasdaq
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I would hesitate to believe any official numbers in things like this. There are so many American tourists that probably just stay living there. We know several and I'm not sure how the government would even know as they just came in on tourist visa. I'm not sure how they calculate and track this. We have so many friends or friends of friends that have been living in Argentina for years. Now I see on Tik Tok and online people doing the same thing from other countries.
It sounds counter-intuitive but the best thing is just to overstay and not try to renew or extend your visa. I'm not sure about border runs but some lawyers say that is probably not a good idea either. I haven't yet met anyone that had issues with border runs but many people just say to overstay and pay. I don't know if your long term goal is to eventually try to live here or how that might affect things.
I think you have to take all of this with a grain of salt as things sound like they might be different with Milei.
I think you have to take all of this with a grain of salt as things sound like they might be different with Milei.
Betsy Ross
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Many immigration lawyers will just say to overstay and say you are living here. Instead of claiming you are a tourist say you're a resident. That sounds good in principle I guess but I'm sure if you get a custom's agent at a border crossing that is in a bad mood it may not turn out good for you. Before all this automation things probably were easier. It will be interesting to see how Argentina handles immigration issues heading into the future. I hope they get stricter. I see some of this stuff in the EU and USA and it is scary. I'd hate to see the same thing happen here in Argentina.
Although Argentina gets a lot of immigration from other parts of South America things still flow here pretty well and everyone plays a part here working in the ecosystem. I see what is happening in parts of Italy, France, Ireland and other countries and it looks like they are being overrun.
Although Argentina gets a lot of immigration from other parts of South America things still flow here pretty well and everyone plays a part here working in the ecosystem. I see what is happening in parts of Italy, France, Ireland and other countries and it looks like they are being overrun.
earlyretirement
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Exactly. Much just depends on the discretion of the customs official when you're crossing. Over the years, I have known people that have had issues when they were clearly a perma-tourist and they were staying here over and over throughout the year. This was before when they stamped your passport. You can easily get a grumpy border official that can see you're gaming the system and maybe not allow entry.
I travel all over the world all the time and Argentina is one of the easiest countries and very lax with immigration. Because they were in such bad economic shape, they depended on tourists coming and didn't mind if they stayed. President Milei is cut from a different cloth but I don't think there will be any sudden changes with most tourists staying here or getting deported.
If there is one thing I've learned in 22 years of working and dealing with Argentina, is things here don't change overnight. Things are slow to change. I would encourage anyone that wants to live here long-term in the future to try to get legal residence. I did that 22 years ago when I knew that I'd be living and working in Argentina and it was the best decision.
I have permanent residency in several countries including Mexico. And one trend that I've noticed is that it's getting more difficult, higher income levels needed, more expensive, etc. and there is no guarantee that there will be an easy path for permanent residency in the future just because there was in the past. Argentina is still relatively easy so I'd find a way to qualify legally sooner rather than later.
My uneducated and worthless guess is that the government cares more about the tourism income. My friends have been living in BA the past few months. They aren't looking to necessarily live there forever but just digital nomads and a few are overstaying and a few are traveling around South America every 3 months. No issues with either option. Going to renew your visa only seems to make sense if you're planning on only extending 3 additional months beyond the 90 days.
Just overstay and pay the fee. This isn't getting fixed for a while. Bigger fish to fry and problems. I think it's safe to say if you're from a wealthier Western nation you're not going to have issues. Maybe same can't be said if you're trying to enter from poorer countries or countries on watch list. Sad to say but I do think they will be more racist at the border controls as it pertains to people that might not be legitimate "tourists".
Price is the same at either airport. People posted extensively about the process and locations if you do a search. You can also see a lot of info on this website.
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Wow! Thanks for that website. I found so many great and helpful articles! But I still didn't see where it said how much it was for the overstay fee. She doesn't really cover it unless I'm missing it. I checked all her categories.Price is the same at either airport. People posted extensively about the process and locations if you do a search. You can also see a lot of info on this website.
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I found this link but still confused on the rate. What is the name of the penalty for overstaying?
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Betsy Ross
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If you go to that link it should be called, "Habilitación de documentación al solo efecto de hacer abandono del país de extranjero residente irregular".I found this link but still confused on the rate. What is the name of the penalty for overstaying?
Cuadro Tasas Migratorias - Decreto 584/2024
Ok so it sounds like my best strategy is to just enter on tourist visa and maybe extend it another 3 months. So I will get 6 months and then after that I can just take a short trip for another 3 months and do the same thing again after 3 months. Wow this sounds very easy to stay there easily. I see there is a digital nomad visa. Does anyone recommend that?
Digital Nomad
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Yeah most digital nomads just enter on tourist visa. You're not going to have any problems. Maybe if you're staying really long periods of time but people who I met have done that. I looked into the digital nomad visa. Those are 180 days at a time and you can renew for another 180 days. But a ton of paperwork. I didn't care about the application fee but you have to get a lot of paperwork and it has to get all kinds of seals and take time and money. You can see the process here.
Just a hassle and Argentina is easy to stay. Most just pay the overstay fee. Maybe it's different if you want to live here forever but you can figure that out later if you decide you like it.
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What happens is that many foreigners, especially Americans, know that the process in Argentina is quite flexible, and they tend to relax too much. I wish the laws and procedures here were a bit more rigorous. Currently, anyone can easily enter and exit the country, and sometimes they stay for extended periods illegally. This is a significant difference from the U.S., where the visa application process is much stricter.
In Argentina, the process for obtaining a visa, especially a tourist visa, can be less rigorous, as it generally requires basic documentation. On the other hand, the U.S. demands extensive documentation, including interviews and background checks, which results in longer processing times. This contrast highlights how the flexibility in Argentina can lead to situations where many people enter and remain without proper oversight, something that does not happen as frequently in the United States.
Just look at these statistics:
Digital Nomad
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No one has the right to complain about the process in the U.S. compared to Argentina. US you have to hire an immigration lawyer and it is super expensive and takes forever. Many Argentines are getting rejected for a simple tourist visa for the US. Here people are just overstaying.
TonyTigre
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I would consider 11.7+ million times to be fairly frequent.
Also, 'according to the data provided by ICE to Rep. Gonzales, over 435,719 convicted criminal immigrants were on ICE's non-detained docket.' 13,099 of them are convicted murderers. Those are just the ones they know of, the ones they actually have a file on.
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