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Javier Milei Launches Bitcoin Revolution in Argentina

Jeezus BCH is falling off a cliff. Down 17% in a day. BTC is down 7% today but some of those sh*t coins are scary.

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I just don't understand enough about these other crypto currencies. I just took a look at BCH and the historical chart has it down -68.43% from start of the coin until now!

Meanwhile Bitcoin is up 28,813%. All my friends in crypto tell me to avoid everything else and just stick with Btc.
 
Jeezus BCH is falling off a cliff. Down 17% in a day. BTC is down 7% today but some of those sh*t coins are scary.

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I don't understand what people mess around with all these other shitcoins besides bitcoin. Took a look today at BCH just to see the performance compared to BTC the past 6 months. Down 8% while bitcoin is up 63%! Hell just today alone it is down 12%. That is what I call a real bitcoin. At one point it was trading at 2700 and today it is at 336.

I am not into any crypto but if I was it looks like only BTC is safe.
 
I don't understand what people mess around with all these other shitcoins besides bitcoin. Took a look today at BCH just to see the performance compared to BTC the past 6 months. Down 8% while bitcoin is up 63%! Hell just today alone it is down 12%. That is what I call a real bitcoin. At one point it was trading at 2700 and today it is at 336.

I am not into any crypto but if I was it looks like only BTC is safe.
I don't know if the charts are accurate but it said that it traded as low as 289 last night. Bitcoin also went down and bounced back. These things are volatile. I am guessing if there were some big event like stock market crash this would tank like anything else.
 
I don't understand what people mess around with all these other shitcoins besides bitcoin. Took a look today at BCH just to see the performance compared to BTC the past 6 months. Down 8% while bitcoin is up 63%! Hell just today alone it is down 12%. That is what I call a real bitcoin. At one point it was trading at 2700 and today it is at 336.

I am not into any crypto but if I was it looks like only BTC is safe.
ETH is performing better than BTC right now. And it's the only coin that has an actual, real world use case. I bought a ton of it early and sold it two years ago. That's what is funding my retirement.
 
ETH is performing better than BTC right now. And it's the only coin that has an actual, real world use case. I bought a ton of it early and sold it two years ago. That's what is funding my retirement.
That is awesome. What made you sell it 2 years ago? Just to lock in profits? The 2 year chart looks like a roller coaster. I always say you can't go broke taking some profits off the table. Congrats.
 
That is awesome. What made you sell it 2 years ago? Just to lock in profits? The 2 year chart looks like a roller coaster. I always say you can't go broke taking some profits off the table. Congrats.
When I retired, I retired. Sold my business, sold my house, sold my investments. I don't ever want to think about money again. Whateve time I have left is devoted to spending it. lol
 
When I retired, I retired. Sold my business, sold my house, sold my investments. I don't ever want to think about money again. Whateve time I have left is devoted to spending it. lol
That is an awesome philosophy to retiring! I probably would want to own at least one place where I live but that would be cool just to not have to worry about anything. My parents owned a few rental properties and spent more time dealing with that. I joked they weren't really retired as they were hassling with tenants.

Do you get bored? When you moving to BA?
 
When I retired, I retired. Sold my business, sold my house, sold my investments. I don't ever want to think about money again. Whateve time I have left is devoted to spending it. lol
It would be a great feeling not to have to worry about money again. Most people will never be in that position. I'm hoping my BTC in the future will let me retire and not have to worry. But until then a lot of worrying!
 
When I retired, I retired. Sold my business, sold my house, sold my investments. I don't ever want to think about money again. Whateve time I have left is devoted to spending it. lol
Love it! I keep joking I will retire but working now more than ever. Have 2 kids entering college soon so no retiring any time soon. Still have a 3rd one in elementary school so have a ways to go.

I sold a company back in 2010 and thought I would retire. I tried it for 2 years. The positive thing is I learned to golf after never touching a golf club my entire life.

I guess if you have a big enough exit from liquidating assets it is great. What I worry about is inflation. Feels like everything will keep getting more and more expensive. Without kids it would be a much different picture. Congrats on the retirement @daveholman!
 
When I retired, I retired. Sold my business, sold my house, sold my investments. I don't ever want to think about money again. Whateve time I have left is devoted to spending it. lol
I sold my house in the US and bought my apartment in Argentina. I wish it were as easy to say I never have to worry about money again. But cost of living just gets more and more expensive. I just have all my money in index funds. Something tells me if you have a young Russian wife, she probably likes to go shopping like any normal female. 🤣 So probably no problems spending it.
 
I sold my house in the US and bought my apartment in Argentina. I wish it were as easy to say I never have to worry about money again. But cost of living just gets more and more expensive. I just have all my money in index funds. Something tells me if you have a young Russian wife, she probably likes to go shopping like any normal female. 🤣 So probably no problems spending it.
She's pretty low maintenance, and has her own income. And I shouldn't say I don't think about money. I don't want to think about *making* money. Used judiciously, what I have will last til I'm 90, if I make it. lol
 
That is an awesome philosophy to retiring! I probably would want to own at least one place where I live but that would be cool just to not have to worry about anything. My parents owned a few rental properties and spent more time dealing with that. I joked they weren't really retired as they were hassling with tenants.

Do you get bored? When you moving to BA?
I don't get bored. I go places and do things. And I'll be in country on the 14th. Not sure for how long. I may need to come back to the US one more time, for a month or so.
 
Love it! I keep joking I will retire but working now more than ever. Have 2 kids entering college soon so no retiring any time soon. Still have a 3rd one in elementary school so have a ways to go.

I sold a company back in 2010 and thought I would retire. I tried it for 2 years. The positive thing is I learned to golf after never touching a golf club my entire life.

I guess if you have a big enough exit from liquidating assets it is great. What I worry about is inflation. Feels like everything will keep getting more and more expensive. Without kids it would be a much different picture. Congrats on the retirement @daveholman!
I retired at 40 the first time. Got bored and started the travel agency a year later. That was supposed to be a 10-15 year project, but I wound up adopting my sister's 3 kids when I was 54. they were 10, 12 and 14. The are now 20, 22 and 24. 24 graduated college, 22 has no interest in college, and 20 I'm still helping as she goes to school part time and works part time.
 
She's pretty low maintenance, and has her own income. And I shouldn't say I don't think about money. I don't want to think about *making* money. Used judiciously, what I have will last til I'm 90, if I make it. lol
A low maintenance woman that has her own income is like finding a diamond! Actually I did the same. My wife's family has a few businesses so I joke that I found my sugar mama. lol
 
I retired at 40 the first time. Got bored and started the travel agency a year later. That was supposed to be a 10-15 year project, but I wound up adopting my sister's 3 kids when I was 54. they were 10, 12 and 14. The are now 20, 22 and 24. 24 graduated college, 22 has no interest in college, and 20 I'm still helping as she goes to school part time and works part time.
Wow! Adopting 3 kids? Wow you sound like a good man. Much better than me! I could never do that.
 
I retired at 40 the first time. Got bored and started the travel agency a year later. That was supposed to be a 10-15 year project, but I wound up adopting my sister's 3 kids when I was 54. they were 10, 12 and 14. The are now 20, 22 and 24. 24 graduated college, 22 has no interest in college, and 20 I'm still helping as she goes to school part time and works part time.
What a good man you are to do that. That is a special thing you did Dave.
 
I'm not genetically Latino, but I grew up steeped in the culture. We lived in Puerto Rico when i was a kid, and my step dad was born in Mexico. Family is everything.
Many Latino males that get girls pregnant just leave them with no help at all. I am amazed when I travel to Latin America (Mexico, Colombia, Peru) just how many single females have kids where the dad isn't in the picture helping. I didn't notice that in Argentina as much.
 
cost of living just gets more and more expensive
but if cost of living is going up around the world, and relative to Dollars, then isn't inflation the culprit? (insidious tax that perpetually steals the value of your Dollars). i save very little in USD because i don't like the idea of losing some % to inflation constantly...although of course the Peso has far worse inflation. but if you think about it, life is actually getting much cheaper in terms of human capital/labor:


so most people alive today can buy more (and better) goods/services for less of their time, when considering hours needed to work, instead of the useless price in Dollars. so, the value of the US Dollar loses at least 2% yearly"

"The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.43% per year between 2005 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 61.60%. This means that today's prices are 1.62 times as high as average prices since 2005, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 61.728% of what it could buy back then." https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2005?amount=1

so if someone in 2005 had started saving for retirement in cash Dollars like they do in Argentina, their "retirement" safety deposit box contents will have lost 61% of its value since then, due to The Fed's printing. this is why i've always heard it's best to have investments at least 5% APY, or have hard assets like real estate, metals, etc.

another interesting idea is the idea of Gold versus Dollars over time. i saw a graphic one time of a custom suit, a house, groceries, etc. compared over every 10 years. can't find it now, of course @Betsy Ross, but the idea is interesting: are prices just the same, relative to assets that can't be inflated by a central bank?

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3. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-...cost-buy-house-over-time-yan-li-cfa-cfp-jgpjc

so i would say that prices aren't going up any different than they always have (of course government meddling causes excesses and shortages at times, driving prices down or up temporarily of specific things like eggs, etc.), because our Dollars have continually lost 2% of value, minimum, per year. but if someone's retirement was a mixed bag of gold, foreign currency like Norway's or something, property, stocks, mutual funds, etc., i would reckon that prices would actually be stable, or over our lives going DOWN for certain goods 🙂

and as a last thought about retirement, as i'm in a sort of pseudo-retirement myself at a younger age...there's really nothing stopping any of us from picking up a "spending-money" hobby that serves as a side gig to supplement the loss of the Dollar's value. i always have thought it was so strange that a small % of people decide one day that they are going to do nothing of economic value, and just "be retired" - for me, that's not only boring, but it's also putting 100% of my trust into a system that probably won't last the test of time (fixed income retirement, social security, etc.)

i just don't see the prices going up, after almost 14 months of being in Argentina. i'm doing a long-term study after buying my house about 3 months ago, to track what is the true cost of living in Mendoza for 2 humans and 1 big dog, with the home-ownership/rent/mortgage aspect taken away. so far, incredibly cheap, like 15% the cost of the USA. but i'd like a full year of data!

why not grab a side gig 1 day a week to supplement income? why not create a small good/food/service and make some side-gig money since your retirement is in Dollars and is losing value daily?
 
but if cost of living is going up around the world, and relative to Dollars, then isn't inflation the culprit? (insidious tax that perpetually steals the value of your Dollars). i save very little in USD because i don't like the idea of losing some % to inflation constantly...although of course the Peso has far worse inflation. but if you think about it, life is actually getting much cheaper in terms of human capital/labor:


so most people alive today can buy more (and better) goods/services for less of their time, when considering hours needed to work, instead of the useless price in Dollars. so, the value of the US Dollar loses at least 2% yearly"

"The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.43% per year between 2005 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 61.60%. This means that today's prices are 1.62 times as high as average prices since 2005, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 61.728% of what it could buy back then." https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2005?amount=1

so if someone in 2005 had started saving for retirement in cash Dollars like they do in Argentina, their "retirement" safety deposit box contents will have lost 61% of its value since then, due to The Fed's printing. this is why i've always heard it's best to have investments at least 5% APY, or have hard assets like real estate, metals, etc.

another interesting idea is the idea of Gold versus Dollars over time. i saw a graphic one time of a custom suit, a house, groceries, etc. compared over every 10 years. can't find it now, of course @Betsy Ross, but the idea is interesting: are prices just the same, relative to assets that can't be inflated by a central bank?

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2.
3. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-...cost-buy-house-over-time-yan-li-cfa-cfp-jgpjc

so i would say that prices aren't going up any different than they always have (of course government meddling causes excesses and shortages at times, driving prices down or up temporarily of specific things like eggs, etc.), because our Dollars have continually lost 2% of value, minimum, per year. but if someone's retirement was a mixed bag of gold, foreign currency like Norway's or something, property, stocks, mutual funds, etc., i would reckon that prices would actually be stable, or over our lives going DOWN for certain goods 🙂

and as a last thought about retirement, as i'm in a sort of pseudo-retirement myself at a younger age...there's really nothing stopping any of us from picking up a "spending-money" hobby that serves as a side gig to supplement the loss of the Dollar's value. i always have thought it was so strange that a small % of people decide one day that they are going to do nothing of economic value, and just "be retired" - for me, that's not only boring, but it's also putting 100% of my trust into a system that probably won't last the test of time (fixed income retirement, social security, etc.)

i just don't see the prices going up, after almost 14 months of being in Argentina. i'm doing a long-term study after buying my house about 3 months ago, to track what is the true cost of living in Mendoza for 2 humans and 1 big dog, with the home-ownership/rent/mortgage aspect taken away. so far, incredibly cheap, like 15% the cost of the USA. but i'd like a full year of data!

why not grab a side gig 1 day a week to supplement income? why not create a small good/food/service and make some side-gig money since your retirement is in Dollars and is losing value daily?
Crazy that Mendoza would be different than Buenos Aires. I wouldn't think it would be too different in Mendoza but costs here in BA keep going up. Beef prices have been going up non-stop. The apartment where we rent and pay monthly expensas have gone up every single month since we got here. Great you don't have to deal with that @StatusNomadicus.

Are restaurant prices not going up in Mendoza?? In BA they continue to go up. I just don't know how they can differ so much in Mendoza vs BA. Are restaurants affordably prices there?
 
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